* Re: Forwarding mails [not found] ` <dutzl844xn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> @ 2008-01-20 21:03 ` Reiner Steib 2008-01-20 21:44 ` Glenn Morris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-01-20 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: ding, emacs-devel [ Including ding@gnus, as it's becoming (only) Gnus related. Feel free to strip emacs-devel on reply. ] On Sun, Jan 20 2008, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reiner Steib wrote: >> Didn't C-d (`gnus-summary-enter-digest-group') work for you? > > Yes (in that it sends me to a buffer with two messages, one empty with > subject (none) from nobody, one the original message); I can't reproduce this. After one `C-d', I get a summary buffer like this: | Martin Svenson bugfix: python.el: completion in inferior python With another `C-d', I get: | m n/a Martin Svenson <* mixed> bugfix: python.el: completion [...] | n/a Martin Svenson <1 text> | n/a Martin Svenson <2 text> "python-el-completion-fix.patch" > but I didn't know about that command. I didn't know that `gnus-summary-enter-digest-group' can handle it, but after someone mentioned some rmail undigest command, I just tried it. ;-) > PS given that Gnus can discard duplicate messages, and the mailing > list can be set to not send you duplicates anyway, I'm not subscribed to emacs-devel, I read it via Gmane, so I don't get duplicates in the first place. > do you really need to insert a Mail-Followup-To header? I split Cc-ed mailing list message to special Gnus group, so it's no big deal to receive Cc's, but they are not necessary for me. If it is annoying for you, I try to avoid it in the future. > It means Gnus starts composing my followup as to: rms, which makes > little sense, since I'm replying to you. Does `message-dont-reply-to-names' include your name or address? In this case, Gnus shouldn't reply to you, I think (I'm to lazy to look into the code). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-20 21:03 ` Forwarding mails Reiner Steib @ 2008-01-20 21:44 ` Glenn Morris 2008-01-21 9:14 ` Miles Bader 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Glenn Morris @ 2008-01-20 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Reiner Steib; +Cc: ding Reiner Steib wrote: > Does `message-dont-reply-to-names' include your name or address? In > this case, Gnus shouldn't reply to you, I think (I'm to lazy to look > into the code). It does. Gnus doesn't reply to me. With your mail: To: rgm Cc: rms, emacs-devel Mail-Followup-To: rgm, rms, emacs-devel hitting `F' produces a mail: To: rms Cc: emacs-devel This doesn't make sense, because I'm not replying to rms, I'm replying to you. So I have to edit the headers to just be To: emacs-devel. Ideally, what I'd want Gnus to be able to do is, when replying to someone who has M-F-T set to exclude their own address, compose a mail To: the mailing list address, Cc: any other recipients (subject to message-dont-reply-to-names). I used to use Mail-Followup-To myself, but someone made the exact same complaint to me, and while I didn't really get their point initially, over time I've come to agree. It's not particularly a big deal, but it does seem a bit of a flawed system. Probably Gnus has a way to handle it, but Gnus is too complex for me. :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-20 21:44 ` Glenn Morris @ 2008-01-21 9:14 ` Miles Bader 2008-01-21 18:57 ` Sven Joachim 2008-01-22 0:06 ` Greg Troxel 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2008-01-21 9:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: > To: rgm > Cc: rms, emacs-devel > Mail-Followup-To: rgm, rms, emacs-devel > > hitting `F' produces a mail: > > To: rms > Cc: emacs-devel > > This doesn't make sense, because I'm not replying to rms, I'm replying > to you. Why doesn't it make sense? The MFT sort of says "don't reply to me in followups, reply to these other people instead", and as you're following up, Gnus did what was requested (after removing your own address from that list). Maybe MFT isn't an ideal mechanism, but until there's some widely used, reasonable alternative (and there's not AFAIK), it's what we have. I'm not sure how Gnus decides what exactly to put in To:, and what in CC: in the presence of MFT, but given that it _can't_ put the usual thing (the From: address of the message being replied to) in To:, grabbing the first address from CC: seems as good as anything... -Miles -- Quotation, n. The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. The words erroneously repeated. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-21 9:14 ` Miles Bader @ 2008-01-21 18:57 ` Sven Joachim 2008-01-21 20:27 ` Elias Oltmanns 2008-01-22 0:06 ` Greg Troxel 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Sven Joachim @ 2008-01-21 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On 2008-01-21 10:14 +0100, Miles Bader wrote: > I'm not sure how Gnus decides what exactly to put in To:, and what in > CC: in the presence of MFT, but given that it _can't_ put the usual > thing (the From: address of the message being replied to) in To:, > grabbing the first address from CC: seems as good as anything... For mailing lists that insert a List-ID header, it would make sense to put the address from that header into the To: field. Only if it the list is included in the MFT field as well, of course. Sven ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-21 18:57 ` Sven Joachim @ 2008-01-21 20:27 ` Elias Oltmanns 2008-01-21 20:55 ` Sven Joachim 2008-01-21 22:52 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Elias Oltmanns @ 2008-01-21 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> wrote: > On 2008-01-21 10:14 +0100, Miles Bader wrote: > >> I'm not sure how Gnus decides what exactly to put in To:, and what in >> CC: in the presence of MFT, but given that it _can't_ put the usual >> thing (the From: address of the message being replied to) in To:, >> grabbing the first address from CC: seems as good as anything... > > For mailing lists that insert a List-ID header, it would make sense to > put the address from that header into the To: field. List-ID is not required to contain an email address and, indeed, it typically isn't either. Perhaps you mean that Gnus should evaluate the List-Post header? Also, it might be worthwhile to compare the addresses in the MFT to a potential value of the To Address customisation entry of the current group. Regards, Elias ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-21 20:27 ` Elias Oltmanns @ 2008-01-21 20:55 ` Sven Joachim 2008-01-22 2:18 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 2008-01-21 22:52 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Sven Joachim @ 2008-01-21 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding On 2008-01-21 21:27 +0100, Elias Oltmanns wrote: > Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> wrote: >> On 2008-01-21 10:14 +0100, Miles Bader wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure how Gnus decides what exactly to put in To:, and what in >>> CC: in the presence of MFT, but given that it _can't_ put the usual >>> thing (the From: address of the message being replied to) in To:, >>> grabbing the first address from CC: seems as good as anything... >> >> For mailing lists that insert a List-ID header, it would make sense to >> put the address from that header into the To: field. > > List-ID is not required to contain an email address and, indeed, it > typically isn't either. Perhaps you mean that Gnus should evaluate the > List-Post header? Perhaps; I just looked up the headers in a random message on this list, and it seems that ding@gnus.org does not have a List-Post header. :-/ > Also, it might be worthwhile to compare the addresses in the MFT to a > potential value of the To Address customisation entry of the current group. Yes, interesting idea. Sven ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-21 20:55 ` Sven Joachim @ 2008-01-22 2:18 ` Jason L Tibbitts III 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jason L Tibbitts III @ 2008-01-22 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sven Joachim; +Cc: ding >>>>> "SJ" == Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> writes: SJ> Perhaps; I just looked up the headers in a random message on this SJ> list, and it seems that ding@gnus.org does not have a List-Post SJ> header. :-/ This list has probably existed for a decade longer than the standard regulating List-* headers. I could add one if people think there's actually any benefit. - J< ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-21 20:27 ` Elias Oltmanns 2008-01-21 20:55 ` Sven Joachim @ 2008-01-21 22:52 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2008-01-21 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding; +Cc: Glenn Morris On Mon, Jan 21 2008, Elias Oltmanns wrote: > Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> wrote: >> On 2008-01-21 10:14 +0100, Miles Bader wrote: >>> I'm not sure how Gnus decides what exactly to put in To:, and what in >>> CC: in the presence of MFT, but given that it _can't_ put the usual >>> thing (the From: address of the message being replied to) in To:, >>> grabbing the first address from CC: seems as good as anything... I tend to agree. >> For mailing lists that insert a List-ID header, it would make sense to >> put the address from that header into the To: field. > > List-ID is not required to contain an email address and, indeed, it > typically isn't either. Perhaps you mean that Gnus should evaluate the > List-Post header? When replying to a message sent to you (and to the list), this won't work, if you reply to your copy. > Also, it might be worthwhile to compare the addresses in the MFT to a > potential value of the To Address customisation entry of the current group. Same problem as above. Additionally, I don't have set the to-address for the vast majority of my groups. [Cc-ing Glenn, as I don't know if he's reading ding.] Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Forwarding mails 2008-01-21 9:14 ` Miles Bader 2008-01-21 18:57 ` Sven Joachim @ 2008-01-22 0:06 ` Greg Troxel 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Greg Troxel @ 2008-01-22 0:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ding Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com> writes: > Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes: >> To: rgm >> Cc: rms, emacs-devel >> Mail-Followup-To: rgm, rms, emacs-devel >> >> hitting `F' produces a mail: >> >> To: rms >> Cc: emacs-devel >> >> This doesn't make sense, because I'm not replying to rms, I'm replying >> to you. You aren't replying, you are following up (err. "wide reply"). > Why doesn't it make sense? The MFT sort of says "don't reply to me in > followups, reply to these other people instead", and as you're following > up, Gnus did what was requested (after removing your own address from > that list). Maybe MFT isn't an ideal mechanism, but until there's some > widely used, reasonable alternative (and there's not AFAIK), it's what > we have. > > I'm not sure how Gnus decides what exactly to put in To:, and what in > CC: in the presence of MFT, but given that it _can't_ put the usual > thing (the From: address of the message being replied to) in To:, > grabbing the first address from CC: seems as good as anything... The above example seems incorrect. MFT has three entries, so the To: should contain those three; I don't see any justification for putting some in To and some in Cc. So I think that should have been: To: rgm, rms, emacs-devel or if rgm's MUA if configured not to reply to self: To: rms, emacs-devel It would be nice to have gnus-summary-followup-broken-follow-to on S B f that's like gnus-summary-followup but ignores Mail-Followup-To:. I use 'S B r' all the time to send private replies on lists that insert a Reply-To: gnus-summary-reply-broken-reply-to S B r Command: Like `gnus-summary-reply' except removing reply-to field. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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