From: Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com>
Subject: Re: some mail annoyances
Date: 23 Jun 1999 10:20:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <un1xrkng8.fsf@home.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Per Abrahamsen's message of "23 Jun 1999 09:42:49 +0200"
Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> wrote:
<snip>
> Having different paradigms for mail and news groups removes much of
> the benefit from having a single program.
For me at least, there are a lot of benefits even if I do treat mail
and news differently. E.g. I do not have to remember different sets of
keystrokes for getting in and out of folders, etc. This may sound
stupid, but is a big advantage for me. Another example is, I read mail
and news in Russian. I had to customize just one program for this, not
two. Etc. None of this has to do with models, yet are big advantages
for me. I am just trying to make a point that it is not necessary to
treat mail and news in exactly the same way to benefit from having a
single program.
But of course, there are other things that *do* have to do with
paradigms, e.g. message threadig in mailing lists like this one. So
you're probably right, that it is better to treat both the same.
> > Hence I think making gnus as intuitive as possible for both is "a
> > good thing".
>
> It was never a design goal to implement the traditional mail reading
> paradigm in Gnus (which is what people mean by "intuitive"). While
> you _can_ set it up to be used that way, it will be a fight. I
> strongly recommend either using a tool that was designed for that
> purpose, or even better, start using Gnus as it was designed. The
> news readign paradigm _is_ very powerful, and you will not have to
> switch paradigm each time you switch between mail and news groups any
> more.
Would be very interesting (for me at least) to learn how different
people use gnus for mail, how they deal with saving, expiring, etc.
> > Whereas I do not have a strong opinion about renumbering the messages,
> > I honestly don't see how the impossibility of renumbering usenet
> > messages is relevant to the option of renumbering mail messages in
> > one's own folder.
>
> Again, it is about how you think about the messages, not about the
> particular feature. If you think about the numbers as something you
> should be concerned about, then you think the wrong way. Gnus is
> designed to make the numbers irrelevant, because it is designed for
> news where you can't change them.
BTW. What happens when the article numbers *do* overflow? They are
bound to overflow eventually, aren't they?
--
Cheers,
-Dima.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~1999-06-23 14:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-06-22 0:36 Per Bothner
1999-06-22 2:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-22 8:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 8:23 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 12:00 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-22 22:34 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 7:39 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:25 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-22 12:53 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 17:48 ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:20 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 7:00 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 7:44 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 7:50 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 8:18 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-22 18:58 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 19:29 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-22 19:33 ` Finding a given in an nnml group (was: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering]) Laura Conrad
1999-06-22 19:48 ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 19:48 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 6:54 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 15:36 ` Laura Conrad
1999-06-23 17:46 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 9:10 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 20:39 ` Justin Sheehy
1999-06-22 21:13 ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Tony Lam
1999-06-23 7:05 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-23 19:33 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 23:25 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26 0:27 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-28 15:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 6:45 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 18:34 ` Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Tony Lam
1999-06-23 19:56 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-23 22:13 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 0:20 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-24 6:44 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 9:19 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 9:21 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 14:58 ` Peter von der Ahé - at home
1999-06-24 15:37 ` Norbert Koch
1999-06-24 17:58 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 19:47 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 20:56 ` Matt Pharr
1999-06-28 1:53 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 15:48 ` Lee Willis
1999-06-24 18:01 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 8:42 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 17:05 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 23:06 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 9:17 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 9:14 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 19:00 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 20:41 ` David S. Goldberg
1999-06-24 21:07 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 21:38 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 6:14 ` Soeren Laursen
1999-07-04 1:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 18:33 ` some mail annoyances [deleting mail] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:33 ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 18:54 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 19:15 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 7:10 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 7:32 ` Yair Friedman
1999-06-23 7:46 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 12:13 ` Randal L. Schwartz
1999-06-22 19:18 ` Nathan Williams
1999-06-23 7:51 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-23 6:58 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 7:23 ` Yair Friedman
1999-07-04 1:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 19:37 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-23 0:48 ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 7:49 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:20 ` Dmitry Yaitskov [this message]
1999-06-23 19:15 ` some mail annoyances [article number overflow] Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 21:02 ` Colin Rafferty
1999-06-23 21:09 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 12:58 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-22 14:33 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-22 16:43 ` Vin Shelton
1999-06-23 6:42 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 6:47 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 14:24 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-24 21:19 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-25 3:18 ` Christian Nybø
1999-06-25 20:34 ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-25 23:51 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26 0:07 ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-26 0:19 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26 2:05 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26 2:28 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26 2:46 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-27 13:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 21:15 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 23:43 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 22:30 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 2:49 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 8:09 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 15:24 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 15:50 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26 9:32 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-27 13:34 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-28 13:58 ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1999-06-26 13:16 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-28 15:37 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-28 20:43 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-28 20:57 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 5:10 ` Russ Allbery
1999-06-25 13:21 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-25 13:25 ` Didier Verna
1999-06-25 13:39 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:43 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:52 ` customizing (was Re: some mail annoyances) Paul Stevenson
1999-07-04 2:19 ` some mail annoyances Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 2:44 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 3:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 6:15 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 6:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 6:51 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 13:15 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-07-04 17:00 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 19:01 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 19:31 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 6:37 ` Hans de Graaff
1999-07-05 3:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 16:58 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-05 3:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 9:28 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-06 3:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 7:45 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 4:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-06 6:47 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 15:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 16:22 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-05 18:32 ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 11:30 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-07 14:20 ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 14:22 ` Lee Willis
1999-07-12 11:40 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-06 3:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-13 5:22 ` Rob Browning
1999-07-13 11:29 ` Kai Großjohann
1999-07-04 18:18 ` lconrad
1999-07-05 3:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-07 0:34 ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-07 2:46 ` lconrad
1999-07-09 16:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-09 18:39 ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-09 19:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-28 7:36 ` Rob Browning
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