Gnus (smtpmail/nnimap) on NT without Cygwin?

Gnus (smtpmail/nnimap) on NT without Cygwin?

[David Abrahams]

Does anyone know what I need to install to get smtpmail and nnimap to
work without Cygwin?

The work I'm doing for a client required me to install their special
version of Cygwin, which I foolishly did alongside my existing one.
Thereafter, my SMTP mail sending began to fail.  Despite the fact that
I have smtp-debug-info set to t, I get no *trace of ...* buffer.  All
I see is (in *Messages*):

  Sending...
  Sending via mail...
  message-send-mail-with-sendmail: Sending...failed with exit value 1

So I decided to rebuild emacs without cygwin, and actually managed to
figure out how to use MinGW and get an emacs with image support on NT!
Fantastic!

But smtpmail still fails in the same way.


Furthermore, now my IMAP doesn't work either

  ======================================================================
  1 -> imap-opened: buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
  1 <- imap-opened: nil
  ======================================================================
  1 -> imap-open: server="stlport.com" port=nil stream=ssl auth=login buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
  | 2 -> imap-opened: buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
  | 2 <- imap-opened: nil
  | 2 -> imap-open-1: buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
  | | 3 -> imap-ssl-open: name="imap" buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com" server="stlport.com" port=nil
  | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
  | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
  | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
  | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
  | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
  | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
  | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
  | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
  | | 3 <- imap-ssl-open: nil
  | 2 <- imap-open-1: nil
  1 <- imap-open: nil

I haven't tracked this one down yet but I'm guessing it's due to the
lack of a non-cygwin openssl on my system.

Any help greatly appreciated!

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

Re: Gnus (smtpmail/nnimap) on NT without Cygwin?

[David Abrahams]

David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:

> Does anyone know what I need to install to get smtpmail and nnimap to
> work without Cygwin?
>
> The work I'm doing for a client required me to install their special
> version of Cygwin, which I foolishly did alongside my existing one.
> Thereafter, my SMTP mail sending began to fail.  Despite the fact that
> I have smtp-debug-info set to t, I get no *trace of ...* buffer.  All
> I see is (in *Messages*):
>
>   Sending...
>   Sending via mail...
>   message-send-mail-with-sendmail: Sending...failed with exit value 1
>
> So I decided to rebuild emacs without cygwin, and actually managed to
> figure out how to use MinGW and get an emacs with image support on NT!
> Fantastic!
>
> But smtpmail still fails in the same way.

Solved; it looks like my exim got updated and it was looking for an
executable with the wrong version number.  I didn't see an error
message that gave me a clue about the problem, though, until I went
into my nndraft:queue group and tried to send all messages.  Maybe the
regular mail sending process could be fixed to yield better error
messages.


> Furthermore, now my IMAP doesn't work either

That was a simple matter of getting cygwin back into my PATH.  

> I haven't tracked this one down yet but I'm guessing it's due to the
> lack of a non-cygwin openssl on my system.

I still would love to be cygwin-independent, to avoid this sort of
problem.  Does anybody know if openssl and exim can be had without a
cygwin dependency?

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

Re: Gnus (smtpmail/nnimap) on NT without Cygwin?

[Simon Josefsson]

David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:

> David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:
>
>> Does anyone know what I need to install to get smtpmail and nnimap to
>> work without Cygwin?
>>
>> The work I'm doing for a client required me to install their special
>> version of Cygwin, which I foolishly did alongside my existing one.
>> Thereafter, my SMTP mail sending began to fail.  Despite the fact that
>> I have smtp-debug-info set to t, I get no *trace of ...* buffer.  All
>> I see is (in *Messages*):
>>
>>   Sending...
>>   Sending via mail...
>>   message-send-mail-with-sendmail: Sending...failed with exit value 1
>>
>> So I decided to rebuild emacs without cygwin, and actually managed to
>> figure out how to use MinGW and get an emacs with image support on NT!
>> Fantastic!
>>
>> But smtpmail still fails in the same way.
>
> Solved; it looks like my exim got updated and it was looking for an
> executable with the wrong version number.  I didn't see an error
> message that gave me a clue about the problem, though, until I went
> into my nndraft:queue group and tried to send all messages.  Maybe the
> regular mail sending process could be fixed to yield better error
> messages.

Considering the error message (...mail-with-SENDMAIL...) it looks as
if you are using sendmail.el rather than smtpmail.el.  Sendmail.el
require a local MTA as external binary, but smtpmail.el will talk
directly to your outbound mail server.

Re: Gnus (smtpmail/nnimap) on NT without Cygwin?

[David Abrahams]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:
>
>> David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:
>>
>>> Does anyone know what I need to install to get smtpmail and nnimap to
>>> work without Cygwin?
>>>
>>> The work I'm doing for a client required me to install their special
>>> version of Cygwin, which I foolishly did alongside my existing one.
>>> Thereafter, my SMTP mail sending began to fail.  Despite the fact that
>>> I have smtp-debug-info set to t, I get no *trace of ...* buffer.  All
>>> I see is (in *Messages*):
>>>
>>>   Sending...
>>>   Sending via mail...
>>>   message-send-mail-with-sendmail: Sending...failed with exit value 1
>>>
>>> So I decided to rebuild emacs without cygwin, and actually managed to
>>> figure out how to use MinGW and get an emacs with image support on NT!
>>> Fantastic!
>>>
>>> But smtpmail still fails in the same way.
>>
>> Solved; it looks like my exim got updated and it was looking for an
>> executable with the wrong version number.  I didn't see an error
>> message that gave me a clue about the problem, though, until I went
>> into my nndraft:queue group and tried to send all messages.  Maybe the
>> regular mail sending process could be fixed to yield better error
>> messages.
>
> Considering the error message (...mail-with-SENDMAIL...) it looks as
> if you are using sendmail.el rather than smtpmail.el.  Sendmail.el
> require a local MTA as external binary, but smtpmail.el will talk
> directly to your outbound mail server.

Yeah, long-since-forgotten configuration change on my part.  I need
the MTA because Gnus sends synchronously and my SMTP server is
slow/unresponsive.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com

Re: Gnus (smtpmail/nnimap) on NT without Cygwin?

[Simon Josefsson]

David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> writes:

> Does anyone know what I need to install to get smtpmail and nnimap to
> work without Cygwin?

smtpmail.el should work without any external tools.

> The work I'm doing for a client required me to install their special
> version of Cygwin, which I foolishly did alongside my existing one.
> Thereafter, my SMTP mail sending began to fail.  Despite the fact that
> I have smtp-debug-info set to t, I get no *trace of ...* buffer.  All
> I see is (in *Messages*):

Perhaps you got a old buggy version of smtpmail.el.

> Furthermore, now my IMAP doesn't work either
>
>   ======================================================================
>   1 -> imap-opened: buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
>   1 <- imap-opened: nil
>   ======================================================================
>   1 -> imap-open: server="stlport.com" port=nil stream=ssl auth=login buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
>   | 2 -> imap-opened: buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
>   | 2 <- imap-opened: nil
>   | 2 -> imap-open-1: buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com"
>   | | 3 -> imap-ssl-open: name="imap" buffer=" *nnimap* stlport.com" server="stlport.com" port=nil
>   | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
>   | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
>   | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
>   | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
>   | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
>   | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
>   | | | 4 -> imap-parse-greeting: 
>   | | | 4 <- imap-parse-greeting: nil
>   | | 3 <- imap-ssl-open: nil
>   | 2 <- imap-open-1: nil
>   1 <- imap-open: nil
>
> I haven't tracked this one down yet but I'm guessing it's due to the
> lack of a non-cygwin openssl on my system.

Yes, you need to install GnuTLS.