nnimap refuses to delete mail

nnimap refuses to delete mail

[Guido Van Hoecke]

The nnimap under Gnus v5.8.3 never removes any of my mail
messages. It pretends to do so, does never complain, but when I
revisit my Inbox (or any other imap folder from which I have
removed messages, either via 'G Del' or via
'B m some-other-imap-folder') all messages that were supposed to
be removed are still there.

I have (expiry-wait . immediate) for all folders, for some
folders I even use (auto-expire . t). This used to work during
the nnimap-beta phase.

I know that imap-servers sometimes are picky about deleting
messages. This usually happens if more than one imap session is
active for the same userid. And sometimes one gets stuck with
invisible backgound sessions (e.g. after closing Netscape
Messenger, but not closing Communicator, some mail checking
background task may continue to access the server).

I have carefully avoided such contention situations. But still
nnimap happily colorizes my summary lines as being deleted (in
case of the 'G Del' command) or puts the 'E' mark in my
auto-expire groups, gives me a message 'Setting marks in
INBOX...' or whatever folder, but, the messages never disappear.

This is not a general problem at the server: Netscape, Outlook
Express and Pine (http://www.washington.edu/pine/) have no
problems to delete messages. Pine never has any problem with
deleting imap messages (if the folder is not in use by another
imap process)?

I now read my mail with Gnus, and I have to expunge it with Pine
or Netscape or Outlook. And, as said before, Pine is the most
effective. It pains me a bit that such a simple straightforward
(no blame meant) program is better at handling messages.

Does anybody have an idea why this does no longer work?

Re: nnimap refuses to delete mail

[Simon Josefsson]

Guido Van Hoecke <Guido.VanHoecke@advalvas.be> writes:

> The nnimap under Gnus v5.8.3 never removes any of my mail
> messages. It pretends to do so, does never complain, but when I
> revisit my Inbox (or any other imap folder from which I have
> removed messages, either via 'G Del' or via
> 'B m some-other-imap-folder') all messages that were supposed to
> be removed are still there.

It might be a bug. Could you evaluate `(setq imap-log "*imap-log*")',
enter some group, delete some articles, leave the group, enter the
group again and verify that the supposedly deleted articles in fact
are still there, and then mail me the content of the *imap-log*
buffer?

Btw, what's the value of your `nnimap-expunge-on-close' variable?

Re: nnimap refuses to delete mail

[Guido Van Hoecke]

Simon Josefsson <jas@pdc.kth.se> writes:

> Guido Van Hoecke <Guido.VanHoecke@advalvas.be> writes:
> 
> > The nnimap under Gnus v5.8.3 never removes any of my mail
> > messages. It pretends to do so, does never complain, but when I
> > revisit my Inbox (or any other imap folder from which I have
> > removed messages, either via 'G Del' or via
> > 'B m some-other-imap-folder') all messages that were supposed to
> > be removed are still there.
> 
> It might be a bug. Could you evaluate `(setq imap-log "*imap-log*")',
> enter some group, delete some articles, leave the group, enter the
> group again and verify that the supposedly deleted articles in fact
> are still there, and then mail me the content of the *imap-log*
> buffer?
> 
> Btw, what's the value of your `nnimap-expunge-on-close' variable?

nnimap-expunge-on-close's value is 
'always

The contents of the '*imap-log* buffer' after visiting my inbox,
deleteing (G Del) three messages and q(uitting) the inbox as well as
the groups screen is as copied hereafter (Note that the 3 messages are
still in my inbox) (Note2: I have removed the Ctrl-M at the end of
each log-buffer line, changed password and server-name):

* OK myServer IMAP4rev1 v12.250 server ready
1 CAPABILITY
* CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4REV1 NAMESPACE IDLE SCAN SORT MAILBOX-REFERRALS LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=LOGIN THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT
1 OK CAPABILITY completed
2 LOGIN "hoeckeg" "password"
2 OK LOGIN completed
3 EXAMINE "imap/3news"
* 16 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 910211527] UID validity status
* OK [UIDNEXT 6531] Predicted next UID
* FLAGS (gnus-expire gnus-dormant \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UNSEEN 16] first unseen message in /home/users/hoeckeg/imap/3news
3 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed
4 FETCH 1,* UID
* 1 FETCH (UID 6515)
* 16 FETCH (UID 6530)
4 OK FETCH completed
5 EXAMINE "INBOX"
* 30 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 945544378] UID validity status
* OK [UIDNEXT 746] Predicted next UID
* FLAGS (gnus-expire \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UNSEEN 29] first unseen message in /var/mail/hoeckeg
5 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed
6 FETCH 1,* UID
* 1 FETCH (UID 501)
* 30 FETCH (UID 745)
6 OK FETCH completed
7 SELECT "INBOX"
* 30 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 945544378] UID validity status
* OK [UIDNEXT 746] Predicted next UID
* FLAGS (gnus-expire \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (gnus-expire \* \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)] Permanent flags
* OK [UNSEEN 29] first unseen message in /var/mail/hoeckeg
7 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed
8 UID SEARCH UNSEEN UNDELETED
* SEARCH 744 745
8 OK UID SEARCH completed
9 UID SEARCH SEEN
* SEARCH 501 530 572 717 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743
9 OK UID SEARCH completed
10 UID SEARCH FLAGGED
* SEARCH
10 OK UID SEARCH completed
11 UID SEARCH ANSWERED
* SEARCH 731 732 736 738 740 743
11 OK UID SEARCH completed
12 UID SEARCH KEYWORD gnus-expire
* SEARCH
12 OK UID SEARCH completed
13 UID SEARCH UID 501:745
* SEARCH 501 530 572 717 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745
13 OK UID SEARCH completed
14 UID STORE 732 +FLAGS (\Deleted)
* 17 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted \Answered) UID 732)
14 OK UID STORE completed
15 UID STORE 728 +FLAGS (\Deleted)
* 13 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted) UID 728)
15 OK UID STORE completed
16 UID STORE 729 +FLAGS (\Deleted)
* 14 FETCH (FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted) UID 729)
16 OK UID STORE completed
17 EXAMINE "INBOX"
* 30 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 945544378] UID validity status
* OK [UIDNEXT 746] Predicted next UID
* FLAGS (gnus-expire \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ()] Permanent flags
* OK [UNSEEN 29] first unseen message in /var/mail/hoeckeg
17 OK [READ-ONLY] EXAMINE completed
18 CLOSE
18 OK CLOSE completed
19 LOGOUT
* BYE myServer IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection
19 OK LOGOUT completed

Re: nnimap refuses to delete mail

[Christoph Rohland]

Guido Van Hoecke <Guido.Van_Hoecke@alcatel.be> writes:
> > > The nnimap under Gnus v5.8.3 never removes any of my mail
> > > messages. It pretends to do so, does never complain, but when I
> > > revisit my Inbox (or any other imap folder from which I have
> > > removed messages, either via 'G Del' or via
> > > 'B m some-other-imap-folder') all messages that were supposed to
> > > be removed are still there.

Perhaps this is the same problem I have when disallowing the seen flag
in my nnimap-split-inbox? If I do that the mails in the INBOX get
never deleted and thus get multiple times splitted.

Greetings
		Christoph

Here is an excerpt from the *imap-log* with restricted ACL:

4000 SELECT "INBOX"
* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen gnus-download gnus-expire)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted gnus-download gnus-expire \*)] 
* 1 EXISTS
* 1 RECENT
* OK [UNSEEN 1] 
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 947587054] 
* OK [UIDNEXT 1003] 
4000 OK [READ-WRITE] Completed
4001 UID SEARCH UNSEEN UNDELETED
* SEARCH 1002
4001 OK Completed
4002 UID FETCH 1002 RFC822.HEADER
* 1 FETCH (UID 1002 RFC822.HEADER {1212}
X-From-Line: hans-christoph.rohland@sap-ag.de  Fri Jan 14 18:12:49 2000
Return-Path: <hans-christoph.rohland@sap-ag.de>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:12:48 +0100
From: Hans-Christoph Rohland <hans-christoph.rohland@sap-ag.de>
Message-Id: <200001141712.SAA01396@ls3010.wdf.sap-ag.de>
To: hans-christoph.rohland@sap.com
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4002 OK Completed
4003 UID COPY 1002 "INBOX.sent"
4003 OK [COPYUID 947594913 1002 222] Completed
4004 UID STORE 1002 +FLAGS (\Seen \Deleted)
4004 NO Permission denied
4005 EXPUNGE
* 1 EXISTS
* 1 RECENT
4005 OK Completed
4006 CLOSE
4006 OK Completed