From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/52152 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Greiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Overbearing undownloaded face Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:02:55 -0500 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051909445 16009 80.91.224.249 (2 May 2003 21:04:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M695@lists.math.uh.edu Fri May 02 23:04:04 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Bhg7-00044X-00 for ; Fri, 02 May 2003 23:02:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19Bhgc-0002i9-00; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:03:19 -0500 Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com ([64.157.176.121]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 19BhgU-0002hw-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 02 May 2003 16:03:10 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 51127 invoked by alias); 2 May 2003 21:03:09 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 51122 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 21:03:09 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (80.91.224.244) by sclp3.sclp.com with SMTP; 2 May 2003 21:03:09 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby.gnus.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Bhgv-0007wE-00 for ; Fri, 02 May 2003 23:03:37 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 54 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.12.206.126 Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1051909417 30517 216.12.206.126 (2 May 2003 21:03:37 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 May 2003 21:03:37 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:b7pCM6FUD0yQ5HaH7UejFcjmH8k= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52152 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52152 David S Goldberg writes: >>>>>> On Fri, 02 May 2003 18:19:19 +0200, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen >>>>>> said: > >> Simon Josefsson writes: >>> Yup. I've been using this, perhaps the defaults should be changed? >>> Currently undownloadable marks is more important than, say, tick >>> marks, which doesn't seem right to me. And I was used to the black >>> marks on unread messages. > >> But you wouldn't tick undownloaded messages, would you? (If I >> understand you right...) > > Actually, I do so all the time. I only download if i plan to work > offline, which is only when I travel. I'm plugged 95% of the time so > don't need to download. Moreover, I'm in control of the expiry as I'm > using nnimap. Right, that's how you use the agent. While it is a perfectly valid approach, it's based on different assumptions that those descibed in the manual. In fact, from what you described. Why aren't you leaving your server unagentized for your normal usage then agentizing when preparing to go offline? It's only four extra keystokes. I personally pay by the month but many Gnus users pay by the minute for their net access. If you payed by the minute, I'd assume that you would want minimize the expense of using Gnus. With the agent, you can do just that: 1) Start Gnus plugged to execute gnus-agent-fetch-session. In a continuous sequence of requests, the agent will fetch all of the new headers and, in groups where you've authorized it, articles that match your selection criteria. 2) Go offline and unplugged to browse articles and compose replies without incurring unnecessary connection costs. At this point, all of the articles that you are interested in will be displayed in their usual faces as they have been downloaded. If you do see the undownloaded face, then you'll know that you'll have to go online again before you can read it. 3) Go online and plugged to upload your responses. Personnally, I use the agent as a cache to improve performance. So I've added gnus-agent-fetch-selected-article to gnus-select-article-hook. That means that the first time I read an article, it's fetched into the agent. So, for me, unread articles are either marked with the undownloaded or unread face depending on whether I've used a fetch command to fetch a block of articles. All other articles are displayed in their traditional faces. So, it all depends on how you choose to use the agent.c Kevin