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From: Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com>
Subject: Re: some mail annoyances
Date: 22 Jun 1999 20:48:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uvhcflp1i.fsf@home.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Per Abrahamsen's message of "22 Jun 1999 14:53:35 +0200"

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> wrote:

<snip-snip>
> > * Bottom line:  Gnus is not usable as a mail reader for non-hacker
> > types.  There are just too many options, there is no introductory
> > manual, and the defaults are non-intuitive.  Even setting it up
> > so it suitable for non-hackers is difficult.  I ended up setting
> > up my boyfriend to use VM.  He is not 100% happy with VM, but
> > I don't see how gnus could be an option.  That is a shame.
> 
> VM is an excellent mail reader, and in itself a good reason why Gnus
> should keep working like a news reader.  If you want a mail reader
> that works according to normal mail reader conventions, VM is there.
> However, if you really want to treat your mailbox as a newsspool, Gnus
> is the answer.

I for example want a something that reads both mail and news, does it
well, and is more or less intuitive for both. I do not spend all that
much time reading either, and would much rather learn one good program
than two. Besides, news and mail are very closely related, so using
one prog for both seems natural. Hence I think making gnus as
intuitive as possible for both is "a good thing".

> > * In there any commend to re-number the messages in a mail folder?
> > I'm used to mhe, which would re-use numbers on expired messages,
> > and when teh numbers approaches 10000, I would run an mh command
> > to renumber the entire folder.  Yes, this is an esthetic issue,
> > not really important ...
> 
> You can't renumber the usenet messages, why should you be able to
> renumber mail messages? Makes no sense from the Gnus point of view.

Whereas I do not have a strong opinion about renumbering the messages, 
I honestly don't see how the impossibility of renumbering usenet
messages is relevant to the option of renumbering mail messages in
one's own folder. (And besides, somebody's already posted that it *is* 
possible). E.g. you can't delete (B del) a real news article, whereas
you certainly can do that to a mail message. So what?

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.



  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-06-23  0:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-22  0:36 Per Bothner
1999-06-22  2:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-22  8:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22  8:23 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 12:00   ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-22 22:34     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  7:39     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:25   ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-22 12:53 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 17:48   ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:20     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  7:00       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23  7:44         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  7:50           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  8:18           ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-22 18:58     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 19:29       ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-22 19:33         ` Finding a given in an nnml group (was: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering]) Laura Conrad
1999-06-22 19:48           ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 19:48           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  6:54           ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 15:36             ` Laura Conrad
1999-06-23 17:46               ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24  9:10               ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 20:39           ` Justin Sheehy
1999-06-22 21:13         ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Tony Lam
1999-06-23  7:05         ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-23 19:33         ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 23:25           ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26  0:27             ` David Hedbor
1999-06-28 15:45               ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  6:45     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 18:34       ` Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Tony Lam
1999-06-23 19:56         ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-23 22:13           ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  0:20             ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-24  6:44               ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  9:19                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24  9:21                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 14:58               ` Peter von der Ahé - at home
1999-06-24 15:37                 ` Norbert Koch
1999-06-24 17:58                   ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 19:47                   ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 20:56                     ` Matt Pharr
1999-06-28  1:53                       ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 15:48                 ` Lee Willis
1999-06-24 18:01                   ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  8:42             ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 17:05               ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 23:06                 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24  9:17             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24  9:14         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 19:00           ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 20:41             ` David S. Goldberg
1999-06-24 21:07             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 21:38               ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25  6:14                 ` Soeren Laursen
1999-07-04  1:30         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 18:33   ` some mail annoyances [deleting mail] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:33     ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 18:54       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 19:15     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  7:10       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23  7:32         ` Yair Friedman
1999-06-23  7:46         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 12:13         ` Randal L. Schwartz
1999-06-22 19:18     ` Nathan Williams
1999-06-23  7:51       ` Per Bothner
1999-06-23  6:58     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  7:23     ` Yair Friedman
1999-07-04  1:37     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 19:37   ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-23  0:48   ` Dmitry Yaitskov [this message]
1999-06-23  7:42     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  7:49       ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:20       ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 19:15         ` some mail annoyances [article number overflow] Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 21:02           ` Colin Rafferty
1999-06-23 21:09             ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 12:58 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-22 14:33 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-22 16:43   ` Vin Shelton
1999-06-23  6:42     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  6:47     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 14:24 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-24 21:19 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-25  3:18   ` Christian Nybø
1999-06-25 20:34     ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-25 23:51       ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26  0:07         ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-26  0:19           ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26  2:05             ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26  2:28               ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26  2:46                 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-27 13:32                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 21:15                     ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 23:43                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 22:30                     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28  2:49                       ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28  8:09                         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 15:24                           ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 15:50                             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26  9:32                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-27 13:34                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-28 13:58             ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1999-06-26 13:16           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-28 15:37             ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-28 20:43               ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-28 20:57                 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25  5:10   ` Russ Allbery
1999-06-25 13:21   ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-25 13:25     ` Didier Verna
1999-06-25 13:39       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:43       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:52         ` customizing (was Re: some mail annoyances) Paul Stevenson
1999-07-04  2:19 ` some mail annoyances Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  2:44   ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04  3:19     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  6:15       ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04  6:37         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  6:51           ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 13:15           ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-07-04 17:00     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 19:01       ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 19:31         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04  6:37   ` Hans de Graaff
1999-07-05  3:11     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 16:58   ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-05  3:13     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05  9:28       ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-06  3:58         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05  7:45     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06  4:02       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-06  6:47         ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 15:54           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 16:22     ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-05 18:32       ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 11:30         ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-07 14:20           ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 14:22             ` Lee Willis
1999-07-12 11:40             ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-06  3:59       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-13  5:22     ` Rob Browning
1999-07-13 11:29       ` Kai Großjohann
1999-07-04 18:18   ` lconrad
1999-07-05  3:17     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-07  0:34   ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-07  2:46     ` lconrad
1999-07-09 16:59     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-09 18:39       ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-09 19:15         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-28  7:36   ` Rob Browning

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