From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23465 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Yaitskov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: some mail annoyances Date: 22 Jun 1999 20:48:57 -0400 Organization: Just me at home Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161192 2136 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:46:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20409 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAB09930; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:49:36 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:50:11 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18242 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:50:01 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com [24.2.9.66]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20024 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from LUCY ([24.65.62.24]) by mail.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990623004858.BLQP23155.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@LUCY> for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:48:58 -0700 Original-To: Ding In-Reply-To: Per Abrahamsen's message of "22 Jun 1999 14:53:35 +0200" Original-Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070088 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.88) XEmacs/21.2 (Chiyoda) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23465 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23465 Per Abrahamsen wrote: > > * Bottom line: Gnus is not usable as a mail reader for non-hacker > > types. There are just too many options, there is no introductory > > manual, and the defaults are non-intuitive. Even setting it up > > so it suitable for non-hackers is difficult. I ended up setting > > up my boyfriend to use VM. He is not 100% happy with VM, but > > I don't see how gnus could be an option. That is a shame. > > VM is an excellent mail reader, and in itself a good reason why Gnus > should keep working like a news reader. If you want a mail reader > that works according to normal mail reader conventions, VM is there. > However, if you really want to treat your mailbox as a newsspool, Gnus > is the answer. I for example want a something that reads both mail and news, does it well, and is more or less intuitive for both. I do not spend all that much time reading either, and would much rather learn one good program than two. Besides, news and mail are very closely related, so using one prog for both seems natural. Hence I think making gnus as intuitive as possible for both is "a good thing". > > * In there any commend to re-number the messages in a mail folder? > > I'm used to mhe, which would re-use numbers on expired messages, > > and when teh numbers approaches 10000, I would run an mh command > > to renumber the entire folder. Yes, this is an esthetic issue, > > not really important ... > > You can't renumber the usenet messages, why should you be able to > renumber mail messages? Makes no sense from the Gnus point of view. Whereas I do not have a strong opinion about renumbering the messages, I honestly don't see how the impossibility of renumbering usenet messages is relevant to the option of renumbering mail messages in one's own folder. (And besides, somebody's already posted that it *is* possible). E.g. you can't delete (B del) a real news article, whereas you certainly can do that to a mail message. So what? -- Cheers, -Dima.