From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/22191 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Yaitskov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: bad (i.e. serious) mail problems Date: 31 Mar 1999 11:39:55 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <99Mar30.101000est.13914-3@gateway.intersys.com> <87r9q64a1m.fsf@x2-150.mtl.Generation.NET> <99Mar31.103440est.13835-3@gateway.intersys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035160156 26856 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:29:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13547 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:40:11 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAB01430; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:38:58 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:39:21 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28850 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:39:10 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mail.rdc1.on.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com [24.2.9.66]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13526 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from LUCY ([24.65.93.139]) by mail.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990331163830.TZKC17502.mail.rdc1.on.home.com@LUCY> for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:38:30 -0800 Original-To: Ding In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:36:53 -0500" Original-Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) XEmacs/21.2(beta13) (Demeter) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:22191 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:22191 Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > * Dmitry Yaitskov on Tue, 30 Mar 1999 > | I think it was. It was pop3-movemail that built an invalid mbox from > | perfectly valid *separate* messages retrieved via pop3 one by one. > > I obviously disagree. It did the best it could with data that was invalid > to begin with. Garbage in, garbage out. Ok. All this argument has taken too much of my (and probably others') time already. This thread has become riduculously long, so I'm posting one last time on this topic. No more posts won't mean I agreed with you, because I do not. Hopefully the xemacs maintainers will incorporate my patch, otherwise I'll just apply it as new versions come out. Still, one last time I'll argue with you. First, your "Garbage in, garbage out" motto is, pardon my Frehcn, complete bullshit as applied to email. Users shouldn't suffer because a program reading their mail has its own notion of what is right and what is wrong, and doesn't care if other programs have different such notions. It would be at least understandable if it refused the problem message *and* indicated to the uset that there was a "bad" message, but it just plain silently screws things up. This is bad. Also, 3 different pop3 servers that I get mail from provide mail in a format that *you* consider to be broken in one respect or another. Even if they were, no reasonable email program should ignore what 3 random unrelated pop3 servers out of 3 do. Last, you still have not provided a single quote from a single rfc which says that a message retrieved via pop3 *must* have one of the magic sequences you're looking for as its first line, and *must* have "\n\nFrom " lines quoted. Thank you. -- Cheers, -Dima.