How to not display my own name?

How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Uh?

I have a "sent" nnmail group:

(setq gnus-outgoing-message-group "nnml:sent")

so, I wanted to display To: instead of From: headers in that group's
summary buffer. Here are that group's parameters (last 5 lines are
practically cut'n'pasted from the gnus info):

((display . all)
 (comment . "mail sent by me")
 (visible . t)
 (gnus-extra-headers quote
					 (To))
 (nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
 (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s")
 (gnus-ignored-from-addresses . "dima"))

It does not work, hence my 2 questions:

1) Why? What have I done wrong?

2) Why is it all so complicated? What's the big deal with replacing
"To:" with "From:" in a summary line? The headers are in the messages,
why do I need to write all that stuff about extra headers and ignored
addresses instead of just specifying a different
gnus-summary-line-format? There *must* be a reason, but I did not get
it at all, and would appreciate somebody to kindly enlighten me. Many
thanks.

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Kai.Grossjohann]

Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:

  > 2) Why is it all so complicated? What's the big deal with replacing
  > "To:" with "From:" in a summary line? The headers are in the messages,
  > why do I need to write all that stuff about extra headers and ignored
  > addresses instead of just specifying a different
  > gnus-summary-line-format? There *must* be a reason, but I did not get
  > it at all, and would appreciate somebody to kindly enlighten me. Many
  > thanks.

You have to add the *-extra-headers part because Gnus uses the
overview information *only* for building summaries, and the two
variables make it so that the From header is inserted into the
overview data (which is not there by default).

Setting gnus-ignored-from-addresses is there for extra flexibility.
Maybe you have more than one email address, or you want to display the
To header for mails from frumple, too.  Or something.  Maybe a
reasonable default for this variable is missing.

kai
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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE wrote:

> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:
> 
>   > 2) Why is it all so complicated? What's the big deal with replacing
>   > "To:" with "From:" in a summary line? The headers are in the messages,
>   > why do I need to write all that stuff about extra headers and ignored
>   > addresses instead of just specifying a different
>   > gnus-summary-line-format? There *must* be a reason, but I did not get
>   > it at all, and would appreciate somebody to kindly enlighten me. Many
>   > thanks.

Oops, of course I meant `replacing "From:" with "To:"'...

> You have to add the *-extra-headers part because Gnus uses the
> overview information *only* for building summaries, and the two
> variables make it so that the From header is inserted into the
> overview data (which is not there by default).

I kind of see your point... still it all looks ugly IM-very H-O for
mail (i.e. locally stored) groups.

> Setting gnus-ignored-from-addresses is there for extra flexibility.
> Maybe you have more than one email address, or you want to display the
> To header for mails from frumple, too.  Or something.  Maybe a
> reasonable default for this variable is missing.

But in a group like "sent" (where it all makes most sense) I want
*just* the To: header, I never care about the From:... whatever it is.
It is me anyway, no?

Still... why doesn't my setup work? ;^|

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 23 Mar 1999 13:20:03 -0500
>>>>> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> said:

 Dmitry> I kind of see your point... still it all looks ugly IM-very
 Dmitry> H-O for mail (i.e. locally stored) groups.

Can '(To) be made the default value of `{gnus,nnmail}-extra-headers'
for nnml and probably other servers?

	Robbe

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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> >>>>> On 23 Mar 1999 13:20:03 -0500
> >>>>> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> said:
> 
>  Dmitry> I kind of see your point... still it all looks ugly IM-very
>  Dmitry> H-O for mail (i.e. locally stored) groups.
> 
> Can '(To) be made the default value of `{gnus,nnmail}-extra-headers'
> for nnml and probably other servers?
> 
> 	Robbe
> 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> Can '(To) be made the default value of `{gnus,nnmail}-extra-headers'
> for nnml and probably other servers?

Well, most people wouldn't want to add this data, so I don't think
that would be right.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:

> Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:
> 
> > Can '(To) be made the default value of `{gnus,nnmail}-extra-headers'
> > for nnml and probably other servers?
> 
> Well, most people wouldn't want to add this data, so I don't think
> that would be right.

Eh, um, sorry about that - but I still do not know - how to display
"To:" instead of "From:" in a specific group? (See my - unsuccessful - 
try to do this in my email that started this thread)...

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Dmitry Yaitskov <user@home.com> writes:

> Eh, um, sorry about that - but I still do not know - how to display
> "To:" instead of "From:" in a specific group?

Well, you would have to alter gnus-summary-line-format for that group
to include the proper spec.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:

> Dmitry Yaitskov <user@home.com> writes:
> 
> > Eh, um, sorry about that - but I still do not know - how to display
> > "To:" instead of "From:" in a specific group?
> 
> Well, you would have to alter gnus-summary-line-format for that group
> to include the proper spec.

That's what I'm trying to do, in the groups parameters (G p) there is
a line trying to set the format to a one from the gnus faq. Here's my
'sent' group parameters:

((display . all)
 (comment . "mail sent by me")
 (visible . t)
 (gnus-extra-headers quote
					 (To))
 (nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
 (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s\n")
 (gnus-ignored-from-addresses . "dimas"))

It doesn't work. What am I doing wrong here?

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Michael Welsh Duggan]

Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> 
> > Dmitry Yaitskov <user@home.com> writes:
> > 
> > > Eh, um, sorry about that - but I still do not know - how to display
> > > "To:" instead of "From:" in a specific group?
> > 
> > Well, you would have to alter gnus-summary-line-format for that group
> > to include the proper spec.
> 
> That's what I'm trying to do, in the groups parameters (G p) there is
> a line trying to set the format to a one from the gnus faq. Here's my
> 'sent' group parameters:
> 
> ((display . all)
>  (comment . "mail sent by me")
>  (visible . t)
>  (gnus-extra-headers quote
>                                        (To))
>  (nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
>  (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s\n")
>  (gnus-ignored-from-addresses . "dimas"))
> 
> It doesn't work. What am I doing wrong here?

I think it might be the fact that you are using a dotted pair, when
the docs say to use a list.  Try removing the `.' from the
gnus-summary-line-format and gnus-ignored-from-addresses and see if
that fixes it.

-- 
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(md5i@cs.cmu.edu)
.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:
> 
> > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dmitry Yaitskov <user@home.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Eh, um, sorry about that - but I still do not know - how to display
> > > > "To:" instead of "From:" in a specific group?
> > > 
> > > Well, you would have to alter gnus-summary-line-format for that group
> > > to include the proper spec.
> > 
> > That's what I'm trying to do, in the groups parameters (G p) there is
> > a line trying to set the format to a one from the gnus faq. Here's my
> > 'sent' group parameters:
> > 
> > ((display . all)
> >  (comment . "mail sent by me")
> >  (visible . t)
> >  (gnus-extra-headers quote
> >                                        (To))
> >  (nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
> >  (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s\n")
> >  (gnus-ignored-from-addresses . "dimas"))
> > 
> > It doesn't work. What am I doing wrong here?
> 
> I think it might be the fact that you are using a dotted pair, when
> the docs say to use a list.  Try removing the `.' from the
> gnus-summary-line-format and gnus-ignored-from-addresses and see if
> that fixes it.

Thanks. That helped, a bit. I.e. the specified format line is now used
and not just ignored as it was previously (e.g. I can change it and it
shows). But, I still cannot make it show the contents of 'To:' instead
of 'From:'. I tried

 (gnus-extra-headers (To Newsgroups))

and

 (gnus-extra-headers '(To Newsgroups))

to no avail. It still only shows my own name (i.e. the 'From:' header.

BTW. I'm sure the dots were not my own invention - they show up after
setting some of the parameters via customize (I'm using XEmacs). Seems
some kind of a conflict here. Also, some of the parameters which are
specified via dots (e.g. to-list, to-address) are picked up by Gnus
ok. Any ideas?

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Bill White]

I've been trying the same things as Dmitry as they're posted to the
list, and I'm having the same problems and symptoms he's having,
including the last ones he reports below. I'm using

   Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80 

with 

   GNU Emacs 20.3.1 (i586-unicent-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of Thu Aug 20
   1998 on banshee

In message <u7lru3ef2.fsf@home.com>,
Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> wrote:

> Michael Welsh Duggan <md5i@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:
> > 
> > > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Dmitry Yaitskov <user@home.com> writes:
> > > > 
> > > > > Eh, um, sorry about that - but I still do not know - how to display
> > > > > "To:" instead of "From:" in a specific group?
> > > > 
> > > > Well, you would have to alter gnus-summary-line-format for that group
> > > > to include the proper spec.
> > > 
> > > That's what I'm trying to do, in the groups parameters (G p) there is
> > > a line trying to set the format to a one from the gnus faq. Here's my
> > > 'sent' group parameters:
> > > 
> > > ((display . all)
> > >  (comment . "mail sent by me")
> > >  (visible . t)
> > >  (gnus-extra-headers quote
> > >                                        (To))
> > >  (nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
> > >  (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s\n")
> > >  (gnus-ignored-from-addresses . "dimas"))
> > > 
> > > It doesn't work. What am I doing wrong here?
> > 
> > I think it might be the fact that you are using a dotted pair, when
> > the docs say to use a list.  Try removing the `.' from the
> > gnus-summary-line-format and gnus-ignored-from-addresses and see if
> > that fixes it.
> 
> Thanks. That helped, a bit. I.e. the specified format line is now used
> and not just ignored as it was previously (e.g. I can change it and it
> shows). But, I still cannot make it show the contents of 'To:' instead
> of 'From:'. I tried
> 
>  (gnus-extra-headers (To Newsgroups))
> 
> and
> 
>  (gnus-extra-headers '(To Newsgroups))
> 
> to no avail. It still only shows my own name (i.e. the 'From:' header.
> 
> BTW. I'm sure the dots were not my own invention - they show up after
> setting some of the parameters via customize (I'm using XEmacs). Seems
> some kind of a conflict here. Also, some of the parameters which are
> specified via dots (e.g. to-list, to-address) are picked up by Gnus
> ok. Any ideas?

bw
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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Stefanie Teufel]

Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:

> Thanks. That helped, a bit. I.e. the specified format line is now used
> and not just ignored as it was previously (e.g. I can change it and it
> shows). But, I still cannot make it show the contents of 'To:' instead
> of 'From:'. I tried
> 
>  (gnus-extra-headers (To Newsgroups))
> 
> and
> 
>  (gnus-extra-headers '(To Newsgroups))
> 
> to no avail. It still only shows my own name (i.e. the 'From:' header.

Hmm, I have the following in my .Gnus.el

(setq gnus-extra-headers
           '(To Newsgroups))
(setq nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
(setq gnus-ignored-from-addresses
           "Stefanie Teufel")

And "gnus-summary-line-format" set to:

"%U%R%z%I (%4L) %[%d: %> %-20,20f%]%) %s\n"

After adding these lines to my .Gnus.el I did a "M-x
nnml-generate-nov-databases".

Stefanie
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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Stefanie Teufel <s.teufel@ndh.net> wrote:

> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:
> 
> > Thanks. That helped, a bit. I.e. the specified format line is now used
> > and not just ignored as it was previously (e.g. I can change it and it
> > shows). But, I still cannot make it show the contents of 'To:' instead
> > of 'From:'. I tried
> > 
> >  (gnus-extra-headers (To Newsgroups))
> > 
> > and
> > 
> >  (gnus-extra-headers '(To Newsgroups))
> > 
> > to no avail. It still only shows my own name (i.e. the 'From:' header.
> 
> Hmm, I have the following in my .Gnus.el
> 
> (setq gnus-extra-headers
>            '(To Newsgroups))
> (setq nnmail-extra-headers gnus-extra-headers)
> (setq gnus-ignored-from-addresses
>            "Stefanie Teufel")
> 
> And "gnus-summary-line-format" set to:
> 
> "%U%R%z%I (%4L) %[%d: %> %-20,20f%]%) %s\n"
> 
> After adding these lines to my .Gnus.el I did a "M-x
> nnml-generate-nov-databases".
> 
> Stefanie

Many thanks Stefanie. I got it now. My problem was, I was trying to
set the gnus/nnmail-extra-headers and gnus-ignored-from-addresses *per 
group* whereas seems like this needs to be set globally (e.g. in
.gnus.el). So now it is finally working. Thanks again.

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Karl Kleinpaste]

You must also set nnmail-extra-headers to the same list, and if you
want to have the proper effect in old mail, you must also then rebuild
overviews with M-x nnml-generate-nov-databases RET, in order to get
the necessary information gleaned from your mail and dropped into
.overview files.

I remember asking Lars months ago why both {gnus,nnml}-extra-headers
were needed, but I don't recall whether the answer made especially
large amounts of sense to me.  :-)  Basically, it came down to the
possibility that data pulled from mail for storage (controlled by
nnml-*) might be different from data selected for display (gnus-*).
Personally, I can't conceive of an instance where I'd want them to be
different.

I use '(Keywords To Newsgroups).

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Kai.Grossjohann]

Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com> writes:

  > [...]  Basically, it came down to the possibility that data pulled
  > from mail for storage (controlled by nnml-*) might be different
  > from data selected for display (gnus-*).  Personally, I can't
  > conceive of an instance where I'd want them to be different. [...]

Maybe you want to have the Keywords header in the .overview file for
easy indexing (cf. nnir.el) but you don't want to show it in the
summary buffers?

kai
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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 02 Apr 1999 16:23:13 -0500
>>>>> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> said:

 Dmitry> BTW. I'm sure the dots were not my own invention - they show
 Dmitry> up after setting some of the parameters via customize (I'm
 Dmitry> using XEmacs). Seems some kind of a conflict here. Also, some
 Dmitry> of the parameters which are specified via dots (e.g. to-list,
 Dmitry> to-address) are picked up by Gnus ok. Any ideas?

Group parameters (which are different from variables) are normally set
by adding `(PARAMETER . VALUE)'. But you can also set the
summary-buffer-local value of *any* variable with `(VARIABLE VALUE)'.

	Robbe

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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> >>>>> On 02 Apr 1999 16:23:13 -0500
> >>>>> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> said:
> 
>  Dmitry> BTW. I'm sure the dots were not my own invention - they show
>  Dmitry> up after setting some of the parameters via customize (I'm
>  Dmitry> using XEmacs). Seems some kind of a conflict here. Also, some
>  Dmitry> of the parameters which are specified via dots (e.g. to-list,
>  Dmitry> to-address) are picked up by Gnus ok. Any ideas?
> 
> Group parameters (which are different from variables) are normally set
> by adding `(PARAMETER . VALUE)'. But you can also set the
> summary-buffer-local value of *any* variable with `(VARIABLE VALUE)'.

Robbe,

What is the difference between a group parameter and
summary-buffer-local value of a variable? (I am not implying that
there is none, I just would like to understand that. I do not actually
know (emacs) lisp well, so may be asking a really stupid question - in
which case please excuse me.) Thanks.

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.

Re: How to not display my own name?

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 07 Apr 1999 13:18:55 -0400
>>>>> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> said:

 Dmitry> What is the difference between a group parameter and
 Dmitry> summary-buffer-local value of a variable? (I am not implying
 Dmitry> that there is none, I just would like to understand that. I
 Dmitry> do not actually know (emacs) lisp well, so may be asking a
 Dmitry> really stupid question - in which case please excuse me.)

Well, Gnus has variables which you can set to achieve some effect, for
example `gnus-summary-mode-line-format'. You can set this to have
Gnus use a different mode line everywhere. You can also set it's local 
value in a specific summary buffer, to get a different mode line there 
only. One way to do this is by adding `(gnus-summary-mode-line-format
"blah")' to the group parameters.

"Real" group paramaters, like `to-address', are not variables. You
can't query their value by simply evaluating them. But they are
consulted when particular things happen (`to-address' is used by
`gnus-summary-post-news' for example). To differentiate variables and
parameters in the group parameter list, real parameters have a dot
between their name and value.

	Robbe

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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Kai.Grossjohann]

Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:

  >  (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s")

The problem isn't the missing final newline (in the format string), is
it?

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Re: How to not display my own name?

[Dmitry Yaitskov]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE wrote:

> Dmitry Yaitskov <dimas@home.com> writes:
> 
>   >  (gnus-summary-line-format . "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20f%]%) %s")
> 
> The problem isn't the missing final newline (in the format string), is
> it?

No, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be...

-- 
Cheers,
-Dima.