From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57109 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Exaggerated use of Face and X-Face Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:50:02 +0200 Organization: Dept. of Theoretical Physics, University of Ulm Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <4n1xmhgpma.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082656270 20574 80.91.224.253 (22 Apr 2004 17:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5649@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Apr 22 19:50:59 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGiLi-0006Oc-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:50:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BGiLD-0001DR-00; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:27 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BGiL8-0001DM-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:22 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGiL6-0008HD-OQ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:20 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94F03A0079 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:18 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGiL4-0003i9-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.10.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:50:17 +0200 Original-Received: from reiner.steib by lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:50:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 74 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de X-Face: .*T0'iU(sujq_j9\J>-d4fg;N/1++U#U$_5ii6k.=|"-n'?5O:Hyz&wi'-!I~,}7~GgT=0S /&-R5sbkNy5+Xo1y{Tw2KKxi@Xh"g@]Qc|.U<*]WDd)qvGowFDvfU1F]{EDho:7P0@|oOD=Bc{K4?> WP68K[Mx:}=`ZT'6g4'f+g?;`vri2!)xGy}3:=l'(/Cea0l4lo^H5#@/Z3ev Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2k5JK/QZokYfBqGtuvOr/rfX+BQ= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57109 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57109 On Thu, Apr 22 2004, Wes Hardaker wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> said: > > Reiner> Don't you think that using four (X-)Face headers is a bit too much? > Reiner> Personally, I don't care too much about it, but some people already > Reiner> complain about Gnus users with a single Face (or even X-Face) header. > > Sigh. Mail readers really should ignore unknown headers by default. At least for news (I'm not sure about mail): ,----[ rfc1036.txt ] | Certain headers are required, and certain other headers are | optional. Any unrecognized headers are allowed, and will be passed | through unchanged. [...] `---- > However, I've had to turn off my Face header for everything but this > mailing list because people asked me to stop putting it in there > (including my boss and my parents). In which way did it annoy them? The usual arguments in Usenet [1] are bandwidth and that people claim that "Face:" should begin with "X-" (experimental header). Yes, I know Lars position about this: ,----[ ] | > I thought it was against some RFC (or at least against some | > convention), to have non-standard headers without the "X-" prefix. | | Yes, that's true, but I intend Face to become a standard header. :-) `---- Maybe Lars refers to the last item here: ,----[ draft-ietf-usefor-article-11.txt ] | 4.2.1. Naming of Headers | | [...] | Whilst relaying agents MUST accept, and pass on unaltered, any non- | variant header whose header-name is syntactically correct, and | reading agents MUST enable them to be displayed, at least optionally, | posting and injecting agents SHOULD NOT generate headers other than | o headers established by this standard or any extension to it; | o those recognized by other IETF-established standards, notably the | Email standard [RFC 2822] and its extensions, excluding any | explicitly deprecated for Netnews (e.g. see section 9.2.1 for the | deprecated Disposition-Notification-To-header); or, | alternatively, those listed in some future IANA registry of | recognized headers; | o experimental headers beginning with "X-" (as defined in 4.2.5.1); | o on a provisional basis only, headers related to new protocols | under development which are the subject of (or intended to be the | subject of) some IETF-approved RFC (whether Informational, | Experimental or Standards-Track). `---- (I'm not sure that these references are the most recent standards.) Concerning "bandwidth": Someone in gnu.emacs.gnus wrote that a French ISP planned to ban "Face" headers. See the Thread before . Bye, Reiner. [1] See e.g. the thread around in de.comm.software.newsreader (in German). -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/