From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64717 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Version numbers of unreleased stable and development versions Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:42:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87k5x9msyz.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1180374241 27087 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2007 17:44:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Original-X-From: ding-owner+M13228@lists.math.uh.edu Mon May 28 19:43:57 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HsjG4-0005Le-Ue for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:43:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsjFT-0002yr-Ev; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:43:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsjFQ-0002yZ-Fq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:43:12 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1HsjFO-0004mg-S6 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:43:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1HsjFN-0000wz-00; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.123]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4SHh7Kt019949; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:43:07 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.123]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C7B12A4C; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:43:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: 'bg&jY[8V'W&:=~6w"|>}#4/T;w~36ei4NNMyKRR.a$n=$|sWFPF1y]a\>6kc\*#GN]UDM| Ywv,vbL^XF1nIp\:F=$Ei2o&mEe:%N~,:3]vtQ~s9u$9izmX$IF@VgGl7/,^dbuM<3|AO2}.%|%?kZ 2Y=@\U!~cll^=8Z9ihKq%wmUe1Ky(#kl3T'>Qk0Ia3mCBsTk?E(,X Mail-Followup-To: , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Didier Verna's message of "Mon, 28 May 2007 11:03:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-EATSERVER-Metrics: arktur 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64717 Archived-At: On Mon, May 28 2007, Didier Verna wrote: > Reiner Steib wrote: > >> Releases (beta and devel) from Gnus repository and CVS versions: >> >> ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------. >> | Standalone | CVS || No Gnus | CVS | Date / notes | >> | Gnus vers. | v5-10 || | trunk | | >> | beta rel. | || devel | | | >> |------------|---------||---------|-------|------------------------------| >> | | 5.10.8 || | | | >> | | || 0.6 | | 2007-05-01 | >> | | 5.10.8 || | 0.7 | today | >> | 5.10.9 | || 0.9 | | close to release of Emacs 22 | >> | | 5.10.10 || | 0.10 | | >> | 5.10.11 | || 0.11 | | ? | >> | | 5.10.12 || | 0.12 | | >> | 5.10.13 | || 0.13 | | | >> | | 5.10.13 || | 0.14 | | >> `------------------------------------------------------------------------' > > My .02: I've never understood why people like this kind of > numbering scheme. I find them so confusing and inconsistent (John uses > odd/even, Jack uses even/odd, you never know which one is what etc). One of the major points for this discussion was to distinguish CVS versions and released version. Now, if a user has "5.10.8" you can't tell if its from 2006-04-11 or 2007-05-28, i.e. it's unclear which bugs should already be fixed in this version. The releases (stable 5.10.x or development No Gnus 0.y) should have a different version than the CVS snapshots. And the version comparisons (via gnus-continuum-version) must still work correctly. In http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62634 I suggested to use ... | Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8+cvs) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) | Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4+cvs) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) ... or "+20060411" for CVS versions. But Lars suggested an odd/even scheme. I don't have a strong preference for either one, but I'd like to have a decision soon. > - . beta for development branches > - .. for stable branches Upto now we had/have: - final = in Emacs = { 5.9, 5.11, 5.13, ... } - beta = standalone release = { 5.8.x, 5.10.x, ... } - development = (prefixed named versions = ) = { Oort Gnus 0.y, No Gnus 0.y, ...) How do you suggest to apply your scheme to these Gnus versions (i.e. fill the table from my message with your suggested version numbers)? Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/