From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/59973 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link is hard to use Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:12:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87r7iq12vc.fsf@neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1110385291 13592 80.91.229.2 (9 Mar 2005 16:21:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Ralf Angeli Original-X-From: ding-owner+M8514@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Mar 09 17:21:30 2005 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13] ident=mail) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D93sI-0007ZX-8h for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:17:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1D93oP-0002pH-00; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:13:29 -0600 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1D93oK-0002pC-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:13:24 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D93oH-0004jP-7S for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:13:21 -0600 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.1]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1D93oB-0008JP-00 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:13:15 +0100 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.123]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j29GCwi6012585; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:12:58 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix, from userid 170) id E010D10145; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:12:57 +0100 (CET) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org Original-To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org X-Face: .*T0'iU(sujq_j9\J>-d4fg;N/1++U#U$_5ii6k.=|"-n'?5O:Hyz&wi'-!I~,}7~GgT=0S /&-R5sbkNy5+Xo1y{Tw2KKxi@Xh"g@]Qc|.U<*]WDd)qvGowFDvfU1F]{EDho:7P0@|oOD=Bc{K4?> WP68K[Mx:}=`ZT'6g4'f+g?;`vri2!)xGy}3:=l'(/Cea0l4lo^H5#@/Z3ev In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:02:45 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: gemini 1072; Body=6 Fuz1=6 Fuz2=6 X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu X-MailScanner-From: ding-owner+m8514@lists.math.uh.edu X-MailScanner-To: ding-account@gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59973 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:6156 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:59973 On Wed, Mar 09 2005, Miles Bader wrote: > On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:42:25 +0100, Kim F. Storm wrote: >> If you click the group name (which has mouse-face and a hand pointer), >> yes. Just click anywhere else in the line to navigate in the buffer >> itself (or use long click)... [...] >> Why isn't mouse-face and hand pointer enough to differentiate them? Probably I search for the group in question with my eyes and then move the mouse there and click without looking at the pointer. Additionally, my group names tend to be long and because of my `gnus-group-line-format', half of the line (40/80) is click-able. I need to concentrate not to follow the link when I want to set point in the Group buffer. > Apparently not. > > I'm not sure what to say except I'm constantly being surprised and > annoyed by the mouse-1 behavior in Gnus due to mouse-1-follows-link, > whereas it seems "natural" in other places; Same for me. [1] [ Cc-ing ding because of this: ] > [To tell the truth what might be nicest for Gnus is to have a > right-click menu which would present the various alternate ways of > entering the group under the mouse pointer -- the current behavior of > `mouse-save-then-kill' doesn't seem particularly useful... > Unfortunately right-click menus are not an established standard in > Emacs, so I dunno if they'd fly here or not.] A subset of the "Group" menu ("Read", "Select", "See old articles", "Check for new articles") would be nice. We could try it in No Gnus if someone wants to implement it. Bye, Reiner. [1] From a previous message on emacs-devel: ,----[ http://thread.gmane.org/v9vf8f2zsz.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de ] | In Gnus Group buffer, I often want to put the cursor on a certain | group and then I intend to do `C-u a' (post to group under point), `10 | RET' (show 10 article in that group), M-g (Check for new news in the | current topic.). In PCL-CVS, I often want to put the point on a file | name and then do `=' (cvs-mode-diff), `l' (cvs-mode-log) ... `---- -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/