MH-E and Gnus tool bar icons (was: [ mh-e-Bugs-1452715 ] Update icons)

[Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>]

[ Adding ding@gnus.
  See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mh-e.devel/12017 ]
  and http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mh-e.devel/12021 for the
  tool bar screen shots ]

On Mon, Mar 20 2006, Bill Wohler wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
[...]
>> In Gnus' message tool bar the usual editing icons are placed before
>> (left to) the mail related icons.
>
> Maybe you should change ;-). All GUI mailers I've ever seen have the
> Send button first. Consider Thunderbird and Evolution 

Thunderbird doesn't include the "standard editing" icons as message
mode does.  But Evolution does include them.

In message mode, I think that <Send Message>, <Postpone Message> and
probably also <Kill Message> should be one group of icons.

I'd like to argue that message keeps the usual Emacs icons in place,
but since we zap most of the icons that's not true. ;-) Maybe the
order (Emacs icons on the left, message icons on the right) was not a
design decision, but simply slightly easier to implement.

BTW, Emacs' `tool-bar.el' (and `message.el') doesn't use
`kill-region', `yank', ... but the wrapper functions `clipboard-*'
from `menu-bar.el': (lookup-key menu-bar-edit-menu [cut]).  I'm nor
sure in which scenario (or on which platform) this is important.

> (which is pretty close to Outbreak, as I recall):

Even for usability, I doubt that Outlook should be our role model. ;-)

> I do think I should try your separator, and I think after reviewing
> Evolution's layout, I might consider moving the Save and Delete icons in
> front of the Attach icon.
>
> I'm open to suggestions on the icon order. What's the consensus?

[...]
>> You use "left", "right" and "page-down".  How about next-page.xpm
>> instead of page-down?
>
> I thought about it, especially since it would mean that we would have
> one less icon to maintain. I didn't in the end because next-page is
> usually associated to going to a new physical page, while we're only
> scrolling down a single, large page. 

A new page in a book is quite similar to a new "screen" (from the
Emacs tutorial: C-v (View next screen)).  In Gnus the command bound to
the next-page icons is even called `gnus-summary-next-page' (also
bound to SPC, <menu-bar> <Gnus> <Scroll article> <Page forward>), so I
think the analogy is quite good in Gnus, IMHO.

> However, I'm willing to roll with the consensus. If others don't
> think that the next-page icon would be too weird for paging down
> (`SPC' (`mh-page-msg')), then I'd be game for going with the
> standard icon. Please let me know.

Bye, Reiner.
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