From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62309 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.mail.mh-e.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: MH-E and Gnus tool bar icons (was: [ mh-e-Bugs-1452715 ] Update icons) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <11716.1142652302@olgas.newt.com> <15928.1142811370@olgas.newt.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1142869777 12345 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2006 15:49:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Mon Mar 20 16:49:34 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists-outbound.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.225]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLMcy-0008Cx-Jl for gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:49:05 +0100 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net (sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net [10.3.1.7]) by sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51EC887B1; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:49:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.91] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FLMca-0003Ru-6B for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:48:40 -0800 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.1]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1FLMcX-0001pc-Nv for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:48:40 -0800 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.123]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2KFmTAL022773; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:48:31 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix, from userid 170) id 7BDB81154C; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:48:29 +0100 (CET) Original-To: , mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Mail-Followup-To: , mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Face: 'bg&jY[8V'W&:=~6w"|>}#4/T;w~36ei4NNMyKRR.a$n=$|sWFPF1y]a\>6kc\*#GN]UDM| Ywv,vbL^XF1nIp\:F=$Ei2o&mEe:%N~,:3]vtQ~s9u$9izmX$IF@VgGl7/,^dbuM<3|AO2}.%|%?kZ 2Y=@\U!~cll^=8Z9ihKq%wmUe1Ky(#kl3T'>Qk0Ia3mCBsTk?E(,X User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-EATSERVER-Metrics: gemini 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 Original-Sender: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Forum for the MH-E developers List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:48:29 +0100 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.mail.mh-e.devel:12022 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62309 Archived-At: [ Adding ding@gnus. See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mh-e.devel/12017 ] and http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mh-e.devel/12021 for the tool bar screen shots ] On Mon, Mar 20 2006, Bill Wohler wrote: > Reiner Steib wrote: [...] >> In Gnus' message tool bar the usual editing icons are placed before >> (left to) the mail related icons. > > Maybe you should change ;-). All GUI mailers I've ever seen have the > Send button first. Consider Thunderbird and Evolution Thunderbird doesn't include the "standard editing" icons as message mode does. But Evolution does include them. In message mode, I think that , and probably also should be one group of icons. I'd like to argue that message keeps the usual Emacs icons in place, but since we zap most of the icons that's not true. ;-) Maybe the order (Emacs icons on the left, message icons on the right) was not a design decision, but simply slightly easier to implement. BTW, Emacs' `tool-bar.el' (and `message.el') doesn't use `kill-region', `yank', ... but the wrapper functions `clipboard-*' from `menu-bar.el': (lookup-key menu-bar-edit-menu [cut]). I'm nor sure in which scenario (or on which platform) this is important. > (which is pretty close to Outbreak, as I recall): Even for usability, I doubt that Outlook should be our role model. ;-) > I do think I should try your separator, and I think after reviewing > Evolution's layout, I might consider moving the Save and Delete icons in > front of the Attach icon. > > I'm open to suggestions on the icon order. What's the consensus? [...] >> You use "left", "right" and "page-down". How about next-page.xpm >> instead of page-down? > > I thought about it, especially since it would mean that we would have > one less icon to maintain. I didn't in the end because next-page is > usually associated to going to a new physical page, while we're only > scrolling down a single, large page. A new page in a book is quite similar to a new "screen" (from the Emacs tutorial: C-v (View next screen)). In Gnus the command bound to the next-page icons is even called `gnus-summary-next-page' (also bound to SPC, ), so I think the analogy is quite good in Gnus, IMHO. > However, I'm willing to roll with the consensus. If others don't > think that the next-page icon would be too weird for paging down > (`SPC' (`mh-page-msg')), then I'd be game for going with the > standard icon. Please let me know. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642