Gnus version numbers (was: Gnus 5.10 is now on the trunk)

Gnus version numbers (was: Gnus 5.10 is now on the trunk)

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Sep 09 2004, Miles Bader wrote:

> BTW, aren't we supposed to change the version number to "5.11" now?

I also thought about this.

I propose to add another minor version number: Let us set it to 5.11.1
now.  After the release of Emacs 21.4, increase it again to 5.11.2 and
so on, so that each Emacs release also has a different Gnus version
(unless there are no changes in the Gnus code and manuals, maybe).

Rationale: In Emacs 21.1-21.3 all Gnus versions had 5.9 although the
Gnus version had significant differences.
E.g. `mm-coding-system-priorities' has been introduced in Emacs 21.2.
I don't remember how often I typed "if you have Gnus 5.9 that comes
with Emacs 21.2 or later you can set `mm-coding-system-priorities'
...".

Additionally, each time a new Emacs version is released, we could
release an unbundled Gnus version from the Gnus v5-10 branch.
Assuming that Gnus in Emacs' CVS and the Gnus v5-10 branch in sync, of
course.  Lars, WDYT?

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> Additionally, each time a new Emacs version is released, we could
> release an unbundled Gnus version from the Gnus v5-10 branch.
> Assuming that Gnus in Emacs' CVS and the Gnus v5-10 branch in sync, of
> course.  Lars, WDYT?

Sounds good.

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Sep 09 2004, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
>
>> Additionally, each time a new Emacs version is released, we could
>> release an unbundled Gnus version from the Gnus v5-10 branch.
>> Assuming that Gnus in Emacs' CVS and the Gnus v5-10 branch in sync, of
>> course.  Lars, WDYT?
>
> Sounds good.

One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
than that of all No Gnus versions:

ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "No Gnus v0.3")
5.110003
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11.1")
5.1101
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11")
5.11

I don't know how problematic this would be, but I would think that all
No Gnus versions should be higher than the 5.11* versions.  A simple
(but ugly?) solution would be to change the set the version to
5.11MMNN for "No Gnus v0.NN" with MM in (01...99).

With MM=90: "No Gnus v0.3"  ==> 5.119003
            "No Gnus v0.12" ==> 5.119012

With MM=99: "No Gnus v0.3"  ==> 5.119903
            "No Gnus v0.12" ==> 5.119912

Might be a little confusion for the user, but I don't think that users
are supposed to look at the continuum version at all.

Other suggestions?

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
> instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
> than that of all No Gnus versions:

Perhaps it's just simpler to name the version in Emacs 5.11 (without
any further numbering), since that's what's been done traditionally.

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Stefan Monnier]

> One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
> instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
> than that of all No Gnus versions:

Seeing how the Gnus and Emacs code are now "the same", I think we may as
well call Emacs's Gnus code "5.10.1" (or some such).

Why use a different number and then have to explain "5.11 is just the same
as 5.10 except it's the version that comes with Emacs".


        Stefan

Re: Gnus version numbers

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Why use a different number and then have to explain "5.11 is just the same
> as 5.10 except it's the version that comes with Emacs".

Because that's the way we've always done it before.  :-)

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Sep 10 2004, Reiner Steib wrote:

> One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
> instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
> than that of all No Gnus versions: [...]

How about modifying `gnus-continuum-version' a little...

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
      (string-to-number
       (cond
	((zerop major) ;; development version
	 (format "%s00%02d%02d"
		 [...])
	((= 1 (% minor 2)) ;; Emacs bundled version
	 (format "%d.%02d0000%02d" major minor least))
	(t ;; non-bundled release
	 (format "%d.%02d%02d" major minor least))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

... so that we'd get:

ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "No Gnus v0.3")
5.110003
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11.1")
5.11000001
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11.2")
5.11000002
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.10.6")
5.1006

Without the minor number, we would get:

ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11")
5.11

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> How about modifying `gnus-continuum-version' a little...

Modifying that function won't help older versions get this right.
(It's mainly used for seeing whether .newsrc.eld files need upgrading
or not.)

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Re: Gnus version numbers

[Per Abrahamsen]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> I propose to add another minor version number: Let us set it to 5.11.1
> now.

The only information the version number for the bundled Gnus need to
contain, is that it *is* the bundled version.  Everything else can be
obtained from the Emacs version number.

Thus 5.11 is both traditional and (more than) sufficient.