Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, Mar 08 2008, Kim F. Storm wrote:

> This is new on EMACS 22 branch:
>
> All of a sudden (I upgraded from CVS), I'm asked a series of
> questions when fetching my mail:
>
> Remove file `Incoming25737PnQ'? (y or n) 
[...]

I wonder why nobody using Emacs trunk or No Gnus complained about the
questions yet.  (I'll make it clearer what the question is all about.)

> Not knowing whether it is safe to do so, I answer no - and
> the list just keeps on growing...
>
> This is due to the following change:
>
> 2008-02-16  Reiner Steib  <Reiner.Steib@gmx.de>
>
> 	* mail-source.el (mail-source-delete-incoming): Change default.
> 	Supplement doc string.
>
> Why was this change made?

See <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66047/focus=66051>.
Summary: Before this change, stable versions of Gnus deleted delete
(intermediate) incoming mail files immediately after handling them
whereas development versions kept them forever.  After the recent
discussion, I've changed the default to keep the incoming file a
couple of days as a safety belt.

,----
| (defcustom mail-source-delete-incoming
|   10 ;; development versions
|   ;; 2 ;; released versions
`----

> -- at least without changing the default for
> mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm too.

Sorry for that.  When I made this change, I completely forgot about
`mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm' (I've set it to nil ever
since I introduced it in 2003).

I agree that the default should be either...

(a) positive `mail-source-delete-incoming' and
    `mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm' set to nil, or...

(b) `mail-source-delete-incoming' set to t (as it was in Emacs <=
    22.1.91 / Gnus 5.10.8)

> At least it should have been documented in GNUS-NEWS.

I will do that.

I'm sorry that this came up to late for pretest 22.1.92.  I'd suggest
to go for (a), i.e. keep `mail-source-delete-incoming' set to 2 and
set `mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm' nil (including the
improvements mentioned above).  Yidong, if you strongly prefer a
different change for 22.2, please let me know.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

[Miles Bader]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> I wonder why nobody using Emacs trunk or No Gnus complained about the
> questions yet.  (I'll make it clearer what the question is all about.)

I just figured it was some safety thing (which seems reasonable) and
customized mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm to nil...

-Miles

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Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

[Norman Walsh]

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/ Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> was heard to say:
| Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
|> I wonder why nobody using Emacs trunk or No Gnus complained about the
|> questions yet.  (I'll make it clearer what the question is all about.)
|
| I just figured it was some safety thing (which seems reasonable) and
| customized mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm to nil...

Ditto.

                                        Be seeing you,
                                          norm

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Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, Mar 08 2008, Miles Bader wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
[Change `mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm' to nil, fix
documentation incl. GNUS-NEWS, clarify confirmation prompt.]

I've done the changes in all branches now (slightly different changes
in stable/trunk).  In case I missed something, please fix or let me
know.

BTW, the following change in v5-10 has not been synced to
EMACS_22_BASE yet:

,----[ v5-10/lisp/ChangeLog ]
| 2008-03-07  Katsumi Yamaoka  <yamaoka@jpl.org>
| [...]
| 	* gnus-art.el (gnus-narrow-to-page): Position point properly.
| 	(gnus-article-goto-prev-page): Work for articles having ^L's.
| 
| 	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-end-of-article): Remove needless narrowing.
| 
| 	* mm-view.el (mm-w3m-standalone-supports-m17n-p): Fix typo.
`----

Miles, could you please sync?
(It fixed the bug reported by Sven Joachim last Monday:
<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66423/focus=66450>)

>> I wonder why nobody using Emacs trunk or No Gnus complained about the
>> questions yet.
> I just figured it was some safety thing (which seems reasonable) and
> customized mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm to nil...
[...]
Norman Walsh wrote:
> Ditto.

Please feel free to ask when you notice such strange changes.  ;-)

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

[Kim F. Storm]

Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>> I wonder why nobody using Emacs trunk or No Gnus complained about the
>> questions yet.  (I'll make it clearer what the question is all about.)
>
> I just figured it was some safety thing (which seems reasonable) and
> customized mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm to nil...

When I test software, I try not to be that clever :-)

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Re: EMACS22: Unexpected question when fetching mail in Gnus...

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, Mar 08 2008, Kim F. Storm wrote:

> Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
>> I just figured it was some safety thing (which seems reasonable) and
>> customized mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm to nil...
>
> When I test software, I try not to be that clever :-)

Thanks for not trying to be clever and catching this bug.  :-)

Does it work as expected now?

Bye, Reiner.
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