* Gnus version numbers (was: Gnus 5.10 is now on the trunk)
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@ 2004-09-09 14:19 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-09 15:49 ` Gnus version numbers Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-14 9:49 ` Per Abrahamsen
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-09-09 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
On Thu, Sep 09 2004, Miles Bader wrote:
> BTW, aren't we supposed to change the version number to "5.11" now?
I also thought about this.
I propose to add another minor version number: Let us set it to 5.11.1
now. After the release of Emacs 21.4, increase it again to 5.11.2 and
so on, so that each Emacs release also has a different Gnus version
(unless there are no changes in the Gnus code and manuals, maybe).
Rationale: In Emacs 21.1-21.3 all Gnus versions had 5.9 although the
Gnus version had significant differences.
E.g. `mm-coding-system-priorities' has been introduced in Emacs 21.2.
I don't remember how often I typed "if you have Gnus 5.9 that comes
with Emacs 21.2 or later you can set `mm-coding-system-priorities'
...".
Additionally, each time a new Emacs version is released, we could
release an unbundled Gnus version from the Gnus v5-10 branch.
Assuming that Gnus in Emacs' CVS and the Gnus v5-10 branch in sync, of
course. Lars, WDYT?
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-09 14:19 ` Gnus version numbers (was: Gnus 5.10 is now on the trunk) Reiner Steib
@ 2004-09-09 15:49 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-10 12:29 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-14 9:49 ` Per Abrahamsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2004-09-09 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
> Additionally, each time a new Emacs version is released, we could
> release an unbundled Gnus version from the Gnus v5-10 branch.
> Assuming that Gnus in Emacs' CVS and the Gnus v5-10 branch in sync, of
> course. Lars, WDYT?
Sounds good.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-09 15:49 ` Gnus version numbers Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2004-09-10 12:29 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-10 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-09-10 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
On Thu, Sep 09 2004, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
>
>> Additionally, each time a new Emacs version is released, we could
>> release an unbundled Gnus version from the Gnus v5-10 branch.
>> Assuming that Gnus in Emacs' CVS and the Gnus v5-10 branch in sync, of
>> course. Lars, WDYT?
>
> Sounds good.
One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
than that of all No Gnus versions:
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "No Gnus v0.3")
5.110003
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11.1")
5.1101
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11")
5.11
I don't know how problematic this would be, but I would think that all
No Gnus versions should be higher than the 5.11* versions. A simple
(but ugly?) solution would be to change the set the version to
5.11MMNN for "No Gnus v0.NN" with MM in (01...99).
With MM=90: "No Gnus v0.3" ==> 5.119003
"No Gnus v0.12" ==> 5.119012
With MM=99: "No Gnus v0.3" ==> 5.119903
"No Gnus v0.12" ==> 5.119912
Might be a little confusion for the user, but I don't think that users
are supposed to look at the continuum version at all.
Other suggestions?
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-10 12:29 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2004-09-10 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-10 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-13 17:20 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2004-09-10 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
> One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
> instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
> than that of all No Gnus versions:
Perhaps it's just simpler to name the version in Emacs 5.11 (without
any further numbering), since that's what's been done traditionally.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-10 12:29 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-10 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2004-09-10 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-10 18:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-13 17:20 ` Reiner Steib
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2004-09-10 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
> One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
> instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
> than that of all No Gnus versions:
Seeing how the Gnus and Emacs code are now "the same", I think we may as
well call Emacs's Gnus code "5.10.1" (or some such).
Why use a different number and then have to explain "5.11 is just the same
as 5.10 except it's the version that comes with Emacs".
Stefan
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-10 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2004-09-10 18:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2004-09-10 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> Why use a different number and then have to explain "5.11 is just the same
> as 5.10 except it's the version that comes with Emacs".
Because that's the way we've always done it before. :-)
--
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larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-10 12:29 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-10 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-10 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2004-09-13 17:20 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-13 18:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2004-09-13 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fri, Sep 10 2004, Reiner Steib wrote:
> One possible problem with using the additional minor number (5.11.1
> instead of 5.11) is that `gnus-continuum-version' of 5.11.1 is greater
> than that of all No Gnus versions: [...]
How about modifying `gnus-continuum-version' a little...
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(string-to-number
(cond
((zerop major) ;; development version
(format "%s00%02d%02d"
[...])
((= 1 (% minor 2)) ;; Emacs bundled version
(format "%d.%02d0000%02d" major minor least))
(t ;; non-bundled release
(format "%d.%02d%02d" major minor least))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
... so that we'd get:
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "No Gnus v0.3")
5.110003
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11.1")
5.11000001
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11.2")
5.11000002
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.10.6")
5.1006
Without the minor number, we would get:
ELISP> (gnus-continuum-version "Gnus v5.11")
5.11
Bye, Reiner.
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-13 17:20 ` Reiner Steib
@ 2004-09-13 18:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2004-09-13 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
> How about modifying `gnus-continuum-version' a little...
Modifying that function won't help older versions get this right.
(It's mainly used for seeing whether .newsrc.eld files need upgrading
or not.)
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larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Gnus version numbers
2004-09-09 14:19 ` Gnus version numbers (was: Gnus 5.10 is now on the trunk) Reiner Steib
2004-09-09 15:49 ` Gnus version numbers Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2004-09-14 9:49 ` Per Abrahamsen
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From: Per Abrahamsen @ 2004-09-14 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:
> I propose to add another minor version number: Let us set it to 5.11.1
> now.
The only information the version number for the bundled Gnus need to
contain, is that it *is* the bundled version. Everything else can be
obtained from the Emacs version number.
Thus 5.11 is both traditional and (more than) sufficient.
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2004-09-09 14:19 ` Gnus version numbers (was: Gnus 5.10 is now on the trunk) Reiner Steib
2004-09-09 15:49 ` Gnus version numbers Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-10 12:29 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-10 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2004-09-10 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-10 18:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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