Quoting region in reply and transient-mark-mode (was: Error while quoting)

[Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de>]

On Thu, May 20 2004, Nevin Kapur wrote:

> Selections aren't working as though; even when one exists, the entire
> message is quoted.

(My CVS is from yesterday, so I cannot check ATM.) I guess that his is
due to Jesper's change on 2004-05-18[1].  Now, you need to use
`transient-mark-mode' in order to quote the region.

Following the ChangeLog[1], it seems that (not) requiring
`transient-mark-mode' to quote the region changes once in a while.

Personally, I'd prefer not requiring `transient-mark-mode' as
explained on gnus-bugs[2] (see also the other messages in this
thread).  OTOH, requiring `transient-mark-mode' probably is more
consistent with the behavior of other Emacs commands,
e.g. `query-replace'.

(IMHO, when selection a region with the mouse without
`transient-mark-mode' should behave as if `transient-mark-mode' is
active, because the user _has_ a clear visible feedback about the
region.  IIRC this has been discussed on emacs-devel recently, but I
don't know if any change was implemented.)

Bye, Reiner.

[1]
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| 2004-05-18  Jesper Harder  <harder@ifa.au.dk>
| 
| 	* gnus-art.el (gnus-article-followup-with-original)
| 	(gnus-article-reply-with-original): gnus-mark-active-p ->
| 	gnus-region-active-p.
| 
| 2002-01-12  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@gnus.org>
| 
| 	* gnus-art.el (gnus-article-reply-with-original): Use
| 	`mark-active'.
| 
| 2002-01-11  ShengHuo ZHU  <zsh@cs.rochester.edu>
| 
| 	* gnus-art.el (article-display-x-face): Ditto.
| 	(gnus-article-reply-with-original): Use gnus-region-active-p.
| 	(gnus-article-followup-with-original): Ditto.
| 
| 2002-01-03  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@gnus.org>
| 
| 	* gnus-art.el (gnus-article-reply-with-original): New command.
| 	(gnus-article-followup-with-original): New command.
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| From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de>
| Subject: Re: message-yank-original yanks only a part of the original message
| To: bugs@gnus.org
| Date: Wed May 12 13:47:37 2004 +0200
| Message-ID: <v9pt99x3xi.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de>
| 
| On Wed, May 12 2004, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:
| 
| > IMO, that gnus-summary-followup-with-original picks up a region
| > is useless if a region is invisible.
| 
| I don't like transient-mark-mode and I often use apply command on a
| region, after using set-mark-command, i.e. without a visible region.
| 
| (I mostly use Emacs 21.3; Emacs 21.3.50 has some improvements related
| to this: Transient Mark mode can be enabled temporarily using `C-SPC
| C-SPC'.)
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