From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62050 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.mail.mh-e.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Icons for frequently used sort commands (was: Sharing mail icons between MH-E and Gnus) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:37:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <28928.1129483226@olgas.newt.com> <30678.1129563148@olgas.newt.com> <16231.1140316818@olgas.newt.com> <3873.1140465433@olgas.newt.com> <8674.1140481811@olgas.newt.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1140522160 3599 80.91.229.2 (21 Feb 2006 11:42:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Tue Feb 21 12:42:30 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists-outbound.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.225]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBVuG-0000qD-61 for gmmd-mh-e-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:42:12 +0100 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net (sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net [10.3.1.7]) by sc8-sf-spam2.sourceforge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAD212D25; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:42:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from sc8-sf-mx2-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.92] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FBVtp-0003py-Gw for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:41:45 -0800 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.1]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1FBVtp-0000It-0k for mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:41:45 -0800 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.123]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1LBfeR9005308; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:41:40 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from viandante.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.123]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3439C11282; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:41:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: (nullmailer pid 11361 invoked by uid 170); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:37:10 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org, mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org, mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Face: 'bg&jY[8V'W&:=~6w"|>}#4/T;w~36ei4NNMyKRR.a$n=$|sWFPF1y]a\>6kc\*#GN]UDM| Ywv,vbL^XF1nIp\:F=$Ei2o&mEe:%N~,:3]vtQ~s9u$9izmX$IF@VgGl7/,^dbuM<3|AO2}.%|%?kZ 2Y=@\U!~cll^=8Z9ihKq%wmUe1Ky(#kl3T'>Qk0Ia3mCBsTk?E(,X In-Reply-To: <8674.1140481811@olgas.newt.com> (Bill Wohler's message of "Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:30:11 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-EATSERVER-Metrics: gemini 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail.uni-ulm.de id k1LBfeR9005308 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 Original-Sender: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: mh-e-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Forum for the MH-E developers List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:37:10 +0100 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.mail.mh-e.devel:11716 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62050 Archived-At: On Tue, Feb 21 2006, Bill Wohler wrote: > Reiner Steib wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 20 2006, Bill Wohler wrote: [...] > I think you mentioned that. We'd definitely do that in any case, but we > should be consistent when we can so that one doesn't necessarily need > the README. ACK. > Note that the existing GNOME names are (dropping $g/stock_): > > sort-ascending.png > sort-column-ascending.png > sort-criteria.png > sort-descending.png > sort-row-ascending.png > > All of these names are unique in the first eight characters so my > inclination is to go with them. sort-a-z is bad since it implies letter= s > whereas sort-ascending can apply to anything that can be sorted (such a= s > animals, or beans). sort-1-9 is bad for the same reason, plus it doesn'= t > discern between rows or columns. We're in a bit of a pickle, however, i= f > someday sort-column-descending or sort-row-descending were added. On th= e > other hand, if these aren't already in GNOME, perhaps we don't have to > worry about it. Those names make sense for Gnome, but not necessarily for Gnus. Let me explain why I suggested those names. In Gnus we have don't have any row-sorting commands. What I had in mind for Gnus (but not in the default tool bar anyhow, because most user probably have configured a favorite permanent sorting depending on the group) were `gnus-summary-sort-by-author' where sort-ascending fits because of the "A-Z" and `gnus-summary-sort-by-date' where sort-column-ascending fits because of the "1-9" in the icons. It's hard to guess what sort commands are frequently used by users as we have dozens of them, see (info "(gnus)Summary Sorting") and (info "(gnus)Sorting Groups"). Maybe it's best to go with the Gnome names as you suggest resolving the 8.3 problem in some way. As mentioned above, icons for sorting don't have the highest priority in Gnus. It would be good to have feedback which kind of sort command are frequently used. Maybe Adam Sj=F8gren (or other people) could make suitable icons for the most common (Gnus) sort commands. Which sort command do you use frequently? It doesn't matter whether you use the menu or a key binding. Please give us some feedback! Bye, Reiner. --=20 ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642