From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/65955 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Problems with `require' in recent changes Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:45:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <84ejdtxwsg.fsf@incoming.verizon.net> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197499232 17427 80.91.229.12 (12 Dec 2007 22:40:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:40:32 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 12 23:40:42 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2aFd-0008LV-UP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:40:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2aFL-0001pa-Pv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J2aFI-0001on-6z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J2aFG-0001nM-Gd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2aFG-0001n8-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2aFF-0005wB-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBCMdvDM002102; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:39:57 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F7612CBD; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:39:55 +0100 (CET) X-Face: .*T0'iU(sujq_j9\J>-d4fg; N/1++U#U$_5ii6k.=|"-n'?5O:Hyz&wi'-!I~,}7~GgT=0S /&-R5sbkNy5+Xo1y{Tw2KKxi@Xh"g@]Qc|.U<*]WDd)qvGowFDvfU1F]{EDho:7P0@|oOD=Bc{K4?> WP68K[Mx:}=`ZT'6g4'f+g?;`vri2!)xGy}3:=l'(/Cea0l4lo^H5#@/Z3ev Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:09:29 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: poseidon 1201; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85111 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:65955 Archived-At: On Wed, Dec 12 2007, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Now only password-cache.el exists in the Gnus trunk. However, >> password.el is still in ecrypto that is an official XEmacs Lisp >> package. I guess even when XEmacs renames password.el as well, there is problem when a user installs a new Gnus package but has an elder ecrypto package. If XEmacs renames it, the following code in `tramp.el' doesn't DTRT: ;; As long as password.el is not part of (X)Emacs, it shouldn't ;; be mandatory (if (featurep 'xemacs) (load "password" 'noerror) (or (require 'password-cache nil 'noerror) (require 'password nil 'noerror))) ; from No Gnus, also in tar ball >> So, it will override password-cache.el if some program requires the >> feature `password'. I'm not sure what it brings, but it seems that >> password-cache.el had better provide also the feature `password'. >> Though it might cause a trouble in programs that use password >> functions, I guess it is easy to be solved. > > I really wish we had kept the name "password.el". Such name changes are > just a waste of time and energy. I agree. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/