Re: Agent and gnus-group-clear-data

Re: Agent and gnus-group-clear-data

[Kevin Greiner]

No.  I can see where people might want to clear marks (i.e. gnus-
group-clear-data) without purging the content that they have 
downloaded.  In this particular case, the old article numbers have 
been invalidated so Rahed needed to do both.

There's a section in the manual on 'Changing Servers' that 
mentions gnus-group-clear-data.  It needs to be updated to also 
reference gnus-agent-flush-cache (to purge the old articles).  Do 
you think we should add another section named 'Renumbering 
Articles' to discuss the sort of problem that Rahed encountered?

Kevin


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From:  Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>
Reply-To:  Reiner Steib <Reiner.Steib@gmx.de>
Date:  Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:48:27 +0100

>Hi,
>
>shouldn't `gnus-group-clear-data' also clear the agent data?
>
>See the following thread on gnu.emacs.gnus:
>
>| From: rahed <rahed@e-last-minute.com>
>| Subject: article reset on the server
>| Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
>| Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:55:42 +0100
>| Message-ID: <uek54omqp.fsf@e-last-minute.com>
>| http://www.google.de/groups?
as_umsgid=v9u0e01n7m.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de&hl=en
>
>On Tue, Nov 29 2005, rahed wrote:
>
>> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+from-uce@imap.cc> writes:
>>>> M-c cleared all article marks but article numbers are 
untouched. So
>>>> after entering the group I can see only old subject names 
articles. New
>>>> ones which do exist on the server are consequently seen as 
read by the gnus.
>>>
>>> `M-c' doesn't fail for me:
>>>
>>> ,----[ Output of `G E' before `M-c' ]
>>> | ("gmane.announce" 3
>>> |  ((1 . 7483)
>>> |   (7485 . 7492))
>>> |  ((seen
>>> |    (7448 . 7492))))
>>> `----
>>>
>>> Note that the read article ranges "(1 . 7483) (7485 . 7492)" 
disappear
>>> after `M-c':
>>>
>>> ,----[ Output of `G E' after `M-c' ]
>>> | ("gmane.announce" 3 nil nil)
>>> `----
>>>
>>> I noticed that `M c' doesn't clear the data in the .agentview 
file of
>>> the group.  Maybe this matters.
>>>
>>> ,----[ cat 
News/agent/nntp/localhost/gmane/announce/.agentview ]
>>> | ((7448 . 732279) (7449 . 732279) [...]
>>> |  (7491 . 732279) (7492 . 732279))
>>> `----
>[...]
>> Thank you for following me. After deleting .agentview for the 
group
>> everything is back to normal.
>
>Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Agent and gnus-group-clear-data

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Dec 04 2005, Kevin Greiner wrote:

> No.  I can see where people might want to clear marks (i.e. gnus-
> group-clear-data) without purging the content that they have 
> downloaded.  

Okay, I see.

> In this particular case, the old article numbers have been
> invalidated so Rahed needed to do both.
>
> There's a section in the manual on 'Changing Servers' that 
> mentions gnus-group-clear-data.  It needs to be updated to also 
> reference gnus-agent-flush-cache (to purge the old articles).  

Maybe `gnus-agent-flush-cache' should be interactive then?  Could you
add a doc string, too?

> Do you think we should add another section named 'Renumbering
> Articles' to discuss the sort of problem that Rahed encountered?

I'd suggest to add it to (info "(gnus)Changing Servers") first.  If it
becomes too long, we can still split it.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Agent and gnus-group-clear-data

[Reiner Steib]

[ I came across this old thread ...]

On Sun, Dec 04 2005, Reiner Steib wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 04 2005, Kevin Greiner wrote:

[shouldn't `gnus-group-clear-data' also clear the agent data?]
>> No.  I can see where people might want to clear marks (i.e. gnus-
>> group-clear-data) without purging the content that they have 
>> downloaded.  
>
> Okay, I see.
>
>> In this particular case, the old article numbers have been
>> invalidated so Rahed needed to do both.
>>
>> There's a section in the manual on 'Changing Servers' that 
>> mentions gnus-group-clear-data.  It needs to be updated to also 
>> reference gnus-agent-flush-cache (to purge the old articles).  
>
> Maybe `gnus-agent-flush-cache' should be interactive then?  Could you
> add a doc string, too?
>
>> Do you think we should add another section named 'Renumbering
>> Articles' to discuss the sort of problem that Rahed encountered?
>
> I'd suggest to add it to (info "(gnus)Changing Servers") first.  If it
> becomes too long, we can still split it.

Could someone work on this, please?

Bye, Reiner.
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      (o o)
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Agent and gnus-group-clear-data

[Reiner Steib]

Hi,

shouldn't `gnus-group-clear-data' also clear the agent data?

See the following thread on gnu.emacs.gnus:

| From: rahed <rahed@e-last-minute.com>
| Subject: article reset on the server
| Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
| Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:55:42 +0100
| Message-ID: <uek54omqp.fsf@e-last-minute.com>
| http://www.google.de/groups?as_umsgid=v9u0e01n7m.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de&hl=en

On Tue, Nov 29 2005, rahed wrote:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+from-uce@imap.cc> writes:
>>> M-c cleared all article marks but article numbers are untouched. So
>>> after entering the group I can see only old subject names articles. New
>>> ones which do exist on the server are consequently seen as read by the gnus.
>>
>> `M-c' doesn't fail for me:
>>
>> ,----[ Output of `G E' before `M-c' ]
>> | ("gmane.announce" 3
>> |  ((1 . 7483)
>> |   (7485 . 7492))
>> |  ((seen
>> |    (7448 . 7492))))
>> `----
>>
>> Note that the read article ranges "(1 . 7483) (7485 . 7492)" disappear
>> after `M-c':
>>
>> ,----[ Output of `G E' after `M-c' ]
>> | ("gmane.announce" 3 nil nil)
>> `----
>>
>> I noticed that `M c' doesn't clear the data in the .agentview file of
>> the group.  Maybe this matters.
>>
>> ,----[ cat News/agent/nntp/localhost/gmane/announce/.agentview ]
>> | ((7448 . 732279) (7449 . 732279) [...]
>> |  (7491 . 732279) (7492 . 732279))
>> `----
[...]
> Thank you for following me. After deleting .agentview for the group
> everything is back to normal.

Bye, Reiner.
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       ,,,
      (o o)
---ooO-(_)-Ooo---  |  PGP key available  |  http://rsteib.home.pages.de/