From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/66322 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Emacs unicode merge changes to Gnus Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <61r6fqbyuv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871w7fvymc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87tzk9zxsq.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203123617 31538 80.91.229.12 (16 Feb 2008 01:00:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: ding-owner+M14813=ding+2Daccount=gmane.org@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Feb 16 02:00:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JQBPy-00081q-P6 for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:00:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JQBPT-0003Xz-9s for ding-account@gmane.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:00:07 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JQBPR-0003Xt-W3 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:00:06 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JQBPL-0002D4-Jr for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:00:05 -0600 Original-Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.1.11]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1JQBPQ-0000SL-00 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:00:04 +0100 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1G0xsMa006677; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:59:54 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from localhost (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.41.37]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D431C5AA; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:59:52 +0100 (CET) X-Face: 'bg&jY[8V'W&:=~6w"|>}#4/T;w~36ei4NNMyKRR.a$n=$|sWFPF1y]a\>6kc\*#GN]UDM| Ywv,vbL^XF1nIp\:F=$Ei2o&mEe:%N~,:3]vtQ~s9u$9izmX$IF@VgGl7/,^dbuM<3|AO2}.%|%?kZ 2Y=@\U!~cll^=8Z9ihKq%wmUe1Ky(#kl3T'>Qk0Ia3mCBsTk?E(,X Mail-Followup-To: Miles Bader , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: <87tzk9zxsq.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:59:01 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.90 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-dcc-servers.net-Metrics: poseidon 102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail.uni-ulm.de id m1G0xsMa006677 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:66322 Archived-At: On Fri, Feb 15 2008, Miles Bader wrote: > Reiner Steib writes: >> Emacs 23 still has `emacs-mule' as coding system. Does it allow to >> encode everything? If so, we might use `emacs-mule' instead of >> `utf-8-emacs'. If not, we could recommend setting >> `mm-auto-save-coding-system' to `emacs-mule' for those who want to use >> Gnus in Emacs 23 and Emacs=A021/22. > > Emacs 23 still supports emacs-mule (and AFAIK, it encodes "everything")= , > though in general I think it's better to move away from it when possibl= e > (utf-8 and utf-8-emacs are readable by other programs in non-binary > cases, and by older versions in "many" cases). For drafts, I can imagine to read the files with other programs, but for ~/.newsrc.eld? > So there are really three independent questions (patch hunks :-): > > 1) Should gnus write the cookie? (obviously yes, I think) > > 2) Should Gnus stop forcing the coding system when it reads the file? > (i.e., should Gnus let coding: do its job) > > 3) Should Gnus switch to utf-8-emacs as the default coding system for > writing files? > > It seems like the safest thing, if you're worried about "back switchers= " > (as well as users of older Emacs versions using CVS Gnus) is to apply > hunks (1) and (2) but not (3); that should at least set things up for a= n > easier switch to utf-8 in the future when it's deemed more acceptable. Sounds reasonable. Please apply (1) and (2). Bye, Reiner. --=20 ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/