From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/64113 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reiner Steib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: The displaying of ISO-8859-15 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:06:07 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Theoretical Physics, University of Ulm Message-ID: References: <87vekekbsn.fsf@bang.priv.no> Reply-To: Reiner Steib NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1166098073 28480 80.91.229.10 (14 Dec 2006 12:07:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M12636@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Dec 14 13:07:50 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GupNJ-0001nd-Vh for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:07:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GupMU-0000IH-Bp; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:06:54 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GupMS-0000Hz-NX for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:06:52 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GupMM-0002oH-BR for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:06:52 -0600 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1GupMK-0007Ms-00 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:06:44 +0100 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GupMF-0002XU-PV for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:06:39 +0100 Original-Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.10.123]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:06:39 +0100 Original-Received: from Reiner.Steib by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:06:39 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 83 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de X-Face: /U7=m^"/-Dn61mAl{g9e3>\G5Tp,oEX|V)g2I1hBk\ML;)7A?6cmB-y7y?'NA^J<=oz7syB =(McAwIHgLX!.B?R3X}98d@?>CrT094KLWh]WU4gDpnL/")MS(XoQTv`Oq225uL>+;CpPXo$N5e>N> $tPd-gbB^F{gQS#1ase]XO~D4p4M"3+F-7~u]dy3I?Pb8RO*H-EFeWDUf?Rf,d]pv\Jvh2Cht!A=im yKAS2Z%Ao^;}W/qzMvMm Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pGufDSIusuODFIo6ZC4FtyikWCk= X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:64113 Archived-At: On Thu, Dec 14 2006, Steinar Bang wrote: > So I figured out how to make Gnus cast replies and followups to > 8859-15 messages into 8859-1 when responding, and was satisfied with > that. I guess you refer to `mm-coding-system-priorities', aren't you? > The main reason (apart from the purely aestethical dislike of > iso-8859-15 as a concept) for being annoyed with ISO-8859-15, is that > Gnus on my platform (see above) picked a bug-ugly font for those > characters. I've filed that under "probably caused by the fonts > installed on my platform, and not something I'd spend time on". It might also be an Emacs configuration issue. `C-u C-x =' will tell you which font is used for -1 / and -15. I'd suggest to load a file with Scandinavian chars with "emacs -q -no-site-file" with both charsets (`C-x C-m c iso-8859-... RET C-x C-f foo.txt RET'). Maybe there's some error in your configuration. > But today I did `C-u g' in the summary buffer to see the headers of an > ISO-8859-15 message. And down in the message body, the ISO-8859-15 > characters were shown in the same font as the surrounding US-ASCII. > Ie. the same font ISO-8859-1 characters would have been shown in. > > It then dawned on me that configuring the display of ISO-8859-15 in > messages is possibly something that Gnus can do. Well, Emacs can do something: `unify-8859-on-decoding-mode', but it has some pitfalls. If your Gnus is sufficiently recent, you might use `mm-charset-override-alist'. But I wouldn't recommend this unless when using some old/non-MULE (X)Emacs which is not aware of Latin-9 (even then, `mm-charset-synonym-alist' would make more sense.) ,----[ v mm-charset-override-alist RET ] | mm-charset-override-alist is a variable defined in `mm-util'. | Its value is | ((iso-8859-1 . windows-1252) | (iso-8859-8 . windows-1255) | (iso-8859-9 . windows-1254)) | | Documentation: | A mapping from undesired charset names to their replacement. | | You may add pairs like (iso-8859-1 . windows-1252) here, | i.e. treat iso-8859-1 as windows-1252. windows-1252 is a | superset of iso-8859-1. | | You can customize this variable. `---- > Eg. decide to display it like ISO-8859-1 or something (who needs > that silly Euro char anyways...?). Latin-1 and Latin-9 differ in 8 positions[1], not only the EUR char. Bye, Reiner. [1] ,----[ Latin-1 vs. Latin-9 ] | -ISO_8859-1(7) Linux Programmer's Manual ISO_8859-1(7) | +ISO_8859-15(7) Linux Programmer's Manual ISO_8859-15(7) | - 244 164 A4 CURRENCY SIGN | + 244 164 A4 EURO SIGN | - 246 166 A6 BROKEN BAR | + 246 166 A6 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON | - 250 168 A8 DIAERESIS | + 250 168 A8 LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH CARON | - 264 180 B4 ACUTE ACCENT | + 264 180 B4 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH CARON | - 270 184 B8 CEDILLA | + 270 184 B8 LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON | - 274 188 BC VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER | - 275 189 BD VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF | - 276 190 BE VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS | + 274 188 BC LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE OE | + 275 189 BD LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE | + 276 190 BE LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS `---- -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/