From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46322 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: detecting encoding for Japanese Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:23:55 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87sn0y43mc.fsf@ghidra.vail> <87fzwxycy9.fsf@ghidra.vail> <873csxws40.fsf@ghidra.vail> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1030710262 6253 127.0.0.1 (30 Aug 2002 12:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17kkp3-0001cj-00 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:24:21 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17kkpZ-00027m-00; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:24:53 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:25:27 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18133 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:25:14 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 9674 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2002 12:24:35 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 9669 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 12:24:35 -0000 Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (129.217.4.42) by gnus.org with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 12:24:35 -0000 Original-Received: from lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lothlorien [129.217.19.67]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id g7UCO1b21427; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:24:01 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.19.80]) by lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de id OAA01222; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:23:55 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix, from userid 6104) id 576553B204; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Katsumi Yamaoka Mail-Followup-To: Katsumi Yamaoka , ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:05:35 +0900") Original-Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46322 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46322 Katsumi Yamaoka writes: > So, I recommend Japanese Gnus users customize the option > `mm-coding-system-priorities' to have popular Japanese charsets > as follows: > > (setq mm-coding-system-priorities > '(iso-2022-jp iso-2022-jp-2 japanese-shift-jis utf-8)) Why are euc-jp and euc-jisx0213 missing from this list? (Maybe they are different names for an encoding already in the above list?) Also, if the above change is good for Japanese users, why isn't it good for everybody else, too? Do you think that there are non-Japanese out there who prefer the current behavior? Maybe it is a good idea to put your change in Gnus. (Hm. I wonder what happens for Chinese. I think that nothing much will happen, but in case that a Chinese sends their messages in a Japanese encoding, they would be surprised :-) I think that Mule cannot unify Chinese and Japanese characters, so this can never happen. But I'm not so sure about Mule, so I'd better ask.) Another thought: Mule itself also has a priority list of encodings. So I wonder why does Gnus need another priority list? Normally, I'd guess that Japanese would normally configure their Emacs for the right priorities, and then Gnus should do the right thing automatically. There could be two reasons why this is not happening: (1) Japanese use a different encoding in email than in editing files, or (2) the priorities that Emacs sets up normally do not propagate properly to Gnus, or (3) Emacs does not set itself up for the right priorities at all when users setup a Japanese language environment. Yes, I can't count... kai (no email access over the weekend) -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)