Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Nevin Kapur]

Hi,

I can't seem to use '[123]g' and friends to get mail at a particular
level. I get new mail and I type '2g'. I get a list of:

nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
nnml: Reading incoming mail from directory...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done

and the newly arrived mail does not get into its group. If I use 'g',
the mail shows up in the correct spool. Here is what I think are
relevant variables:

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.freenet.de")
      gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '((nnml "")			; Incoming Mail
	;; (nntp "news.freshmeat.net")
	(nntp "News.CIS.DFN.DE")
	(nntp "news.jhu.edu")
	;; (nntp "news.creativelabs.com")
	;; (nntp "msnews.microsoft.com")
	(nnfolder ""))		; Saved Mails
      nnml-get-new-mail t
      nnfolder-get-new-mail nil
      nnfolder-directory "~/mail"
      nnfolder-nov-directory "~/mail/NOV"
      nntp-connection-timeout 10
      gnus-activate-level 3
      mail-sources
      '((directory
	 :path "~/.spool/"
	 :suffix "")))

I poked around in gnus-group-get-new-news but without much luck. Any
pointers are appreciated.

-- 
Nevin

Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Kai Großjohann]

On 13 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:

> I can't seem to use '[123]g' and friends to get mail at a particular
> level. I get new mail and I type '2g'. I get a list of:

Have you got any nnml group of level 1 or 2?

kai
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Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Nevin Kapur]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:
> 
>> I can't seem to use '[123]g' and friends to get mail at a
>> particular level. I get new mail and I type '2g'. I get a list of:
> 
> Have you got any nnml group of level 1 or 2?

Yes, I have multiple groups at level 1 and multiple ones at level 2.

-- 
Nevin

Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Kai Großjohann]

On 13 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:

> Yes, I have multiple groups at level 1 and multiple ones at level 2.

Well, then I don't see where the problem might be.  Hm.  The only idea
I have is to start tracing various functions to see where it goes
wrong.

Unless somebody else has an idea?

kai
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Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Nevin Kapur]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I have multiple groups at level 1 and multiple ones at level
>> 2.
> 
> Well, then I don't see where the problem might be. Hm. The only idea
> I have is to start tracing various functions to see where it goes
> wrong.

I tried my hand at using the debugger. I couldn't figure out why 'g'
works but '1g' doesn't. I am not familiar with Gnus' internals.

Fortunately, I found I workaround. My usual setup is to use procmail
to split my incoming mail into just two folders FM and NFM, and then
use Gnus' fancy spitting by setting nnmail-resplit-incoming to t, for
finer control. I use

'((directory  :path "~/.spool/: :suffix ""))

as a mail-sources entry for this. I suspect that this setting has
something to do with my problem. I just changed that entry to

      '((file :path "~/.spool/FM")
	(file :path "~/.spool/NFM"))

and '[123]g' works as advertised!

Perhaps this information can clue someone in on what's causing this
behavior. Thanks for your help.

-- 
Nevin

Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Kai Großjohann]

On 14 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:

> Fortunately, I found I workaround. My usual setup is to use procmail
> to split my incoming mail into just two folders FM and NFM, and then
> use Gnus' fancy spitting by setting nnmail-resplit-incoming to t,
> for finer control. I use

I see.  I think if you hit `1 g' and the only level-1 group is
nnml:foo, then Gnus will only look at ~/.spool/foo.

I take it that there are no groups nnml:FM and nnml:NFM?

kai
-- 
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Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Nevin Kapur]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote:

> On 14 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:
> 
>> Fortunately, I found I workaround. My usual setup is to use
>> procmail to split my incoming mail into just two folders FM and
>> NFM, and then use Gnus' fancy spitting by setting
>> nnmail-resplit-incoming to t, for finer control. I use
> 
> I see.  I think if you hit `1 g' and the only level-1 group is
> nnml:foo, then Gnus will only look at ~/.spool/foo.

I think this is correct. I stepped through debugging
mail-sources-fetch and this was the behavior I observed.

> I take it that there are no groups nnml:FM and nnml:NFM?

Exactly.

I am interested in hearing from folks who use procmail and the
directory entry in  mail-sources. Does '1 g' work for them? Does
anybody else use procmail *and* nnmail-resplit-incoming? Does '1 g'
work in that case?
 
-- 
Nevin

Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Nevin Kapur <nevin@jhu.edu> writes:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote:
> 
> > On 14 Mar 2001, Nevin Kapur wrote:
> > 
> >> Fortunately, I found I workaround. My usual setup is to use
> >> procmail to split my incoming mail into just two folders FM and
> >> NFM, and then use Gnus' fancy spitting by setting
> >> nnmail-resplit-incoming to t, for finer control. I use
> > 
> > I see.  I think if you hit `1 g' and the only level-1 group is
> > nnml:foo, then Gnus will only look at ~/.spool/foo.
> 
> I think this is correct. I stepped through debugging
> mail-sources-fetch and this was the behavior I observed.

Probably, (setq nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once t) helps.

ShengHuo

Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[Nevin Kapur]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, ShengHuo ZHU wrote:

> Nevin Kapur <nevin@jhu.edu> writes:
> 
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote:
>> 
>> > I see.  I think if you hit `1 g' and the only level-1 group is
>> > nnml:foo, then Gnus will only look at ~/.spool/foo.
>> 
>> I think this is correct. I stepped through debugging
>> mail-sources-fetch and this was the behavior I observed.
> 
> Probably, (setq nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once t) helps.

Yes! I see that the documentation mentions this variable. I was never
really sure what 

,----[ gnus.texi ]
| Setting @code{nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once} to non-nil force
| Gnus to scan the mail source only once.
`----

means. Perhaps a tiny patch is in order?

Index: gnus.texi
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/texi/gnus.texi,v
retrieving revision 6.56
diff -u -r6.56 gnus.texi
--- gnus.texi	2001/03/03 11:18:39	6.56
+++ gnus.texi	2001/03/14 15:56:08
@@ -11284,8 +11284,9 @@
 @item directory
 Get mail from several files in a directory.  This is typically used when
 you have procmail split the incoming mail into several files.  Setting
-@code{nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once} to non-nil force Gnus to
-scan the mail source only once.
+@code{nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once} to non-nil forces Gnus to
+scan the mail source only once. This is particularly useful if you want
+to scan mail groups at a specified level.
 
 Keywords:
 

-- 
Nevin

Re: Problems with getting new mail at any particular level.

[ShengHuo ZHU]

Nevin Kapur <nevin@jhu.edu> writes:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, ShengHuo ZHU wrote:
> 
> > Nevin Kapur <nevin@jhu.edu> writes:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Kai Großjohann wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I see.  I think if you hit `1 g' and the only level-1 group is
> >> > nnml:foo, then Gnus will only look at ~/.spool/foo.
> >> 
> >> I think this is correct. I stepped through debugging
> >> mail-sources-fetch and this was the behavior I observed.
> > 
> > Probably, (setq nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once t) helps.
> 
> Yes! I see that the documentation mentions this variable. I was never
> really sure what 
> 
> ,----[ gnus.texi ]
> | Setting @code{nnmail-scan-directory-mail-source-once} to non-nil force
> | Gnus to scan the mail source only once.
> `----
> 
> means. Perhaps a tiny patch is in order?

Installed. Thanks for the patch.

ShengHuo