From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/32192 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: difference between foreign and secondary servers? Date: 14 Aug 2000 23:16:48 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035168503 18355 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 02:48:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9D8D051F for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAC24798; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:17:27 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:16:40 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23633 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:16:30 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230E4D051E for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.20.159]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id XAA05607 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:16:49 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.20.160]) by marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de id XAA06056; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:16:49 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: (from grossjoh@localhost) by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA09880; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:16:49 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de: grossjoh set sender to Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "14 Aug 2000 20:02:25 +0200" Original-Lines: 72 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.6 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:32192 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:32192 On 14 Aug 2000, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: >=20 >> Wherever you would normally use a select method (e.g. >> `gnus-secondary-select-method', in the group select method, when >> browsing a foreign server) you can use a virtual server name >> instead. This could potentially save lots of typing. And it's >> nice all over. >>=20 >> He interprets this to mean that he can add servers in the server >> buffer, and then >>=20 >> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '("foo" "bar" "baz")) >=20 > Yes. >=20 >> Or maybe this: >>=20 >> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '("nnml:foo" "nnfolder:bar" >> "nnml:baz")) >=20 > Not unless "nnml:foo" was the name of a virtual server, but it's a > really odd name. Might even be invalid. Isn't there a possible conflict here? I have servers (nnml "") and (nnimap "" ...), so I'd have to do (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '("" "")) Which one is first, the nnml server or the nnimap server? ;-) >> Until now, I thought the only difference between secondary and >> foreign servers was that the former are mentioned in >> gnus-secondary-select-methods. When one puts the whole server >> definition (parameters and all) into gnus-secondary-select-methods, >> you can see where the difference is -- you can frob the >> gnus-secondary-select-methods nicely from Lisp code in >> site-start.el or something, which is not possible for the foreign >> servers. >>=20 >> But Helmut doesn't do this. In fact, the info file even suggests >> it. So, where is the difference between secondary and foreign >> servers? There must be more to it than just that the secondary >> servers are mentioned in gnus-secondary-select-methods! >=20 > No, that's the difference. That does have quite wide-ranging > consequences, though -- for instance, `F' will query the secondary > servers, while not foreign groups will ever be created by `F'. Etc. Ah, yes. I think it would be useful to know more about the `etc' part ;-) I now browsed the manual using `s secondary RET' and I found this: /---- | A slightly different approach to foreign groups is to set the | `gnus-secondary-select-methods' variable. The select methods listed in | this variable are in many ways just as native as the | `gnus-select-method' server. They will also be queried for active | files during startup (if that's required), and new newsgroups that | appear on these servers will be subscribed (or not) just as native | groups are. \---- Does that tell the whole story? Or is there anything missing? kai --=20 I like BOTH kinds of music.