* Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools @ 1996-11-06 19:09 Sten Drescher 1996-11-06 22:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-06 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw) I keep both my personal and my work email in nnml trees, but on different systems. I'd like to be able to mount my work nnml hierarchy on my home system, and read the procmail spool for it, while still having my personal nnml hierarchy separate and accessable. Is it possible to get rGnus 0.53 to do this? -- +---------------------- Tivoli Customer Support ----------------------+ | Sten Drescher Tivoli Systems, Inc | | email: sten.drescher@tivoli.com 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy North | | phone: (512) 794-9070 Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 500 | | fax : (512) 345-2784 Austin, Texas 78759 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-06 19:09 Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-06 22:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-11-06 21:48 ` Scott Blachowicz 1996-11-07 1:35 ` Sten Drescher 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-11-06 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: > I keep both my personal and my work email in nnml trees, but > on different systems. I'd like to be able to mount my work nnml > hierarchy on my home system, and read the procmail spool for it, while > still having my personal nnml hierarchy separate and accessable. Is > it possible to get rGnus 0.53 to do this? Gnus uses movemail to move mail from the spool directories. movemail doesn't understand ange-ftp file names, so you'll have to use something else. Which is a problem, because then you won't get file locking... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-06 22:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-11-06 21:48 ` Scott Blachowicz 1996-11-07 1:35 ` Sten Drescher 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Scott Blachowicz @ 1996-11-06 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> wrote: > Gnus uses movemail to move mail from the spool directories. movemail > doesn't understand ange-ftp file names, so you'll have to use > something else. Which is a problem, because then you won't get file > locking... Sounds like a job for a nnimap backend? Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-06 22:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-11-06 21:48 ` Scott Blachowicz @ 1996-11-07 1:35 ` Sten Drescher 1996-11-08 4:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-07 1:35 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: LMI> Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: >> I keep both my personal and my work email in nnml trees, but on >> different systems. I'd like to be able to mount my work nnml >> hierarchy on my home system, and read the procmail spool for it, >> while still having my personal nnml hierarchy separate and >> accessable. Is it possible to get rGnus 0.53 to do this? LMI> Gnus uses movemail to move mail from the spool directories. LMI> movemail doesn't understand ange-ftp file names, so you'll have LMI> to use something else. Which is a problem, because then you LMI> won't get file locking... No ftp necessary, as I have everything NFS mounted. The problem is that I'll have 2 procmail spool directories, and 2 nnml directories: ~/Mail for my home mail (both procmail and nnml), and ~/Tivoli/mail and ~/Tivoli/Mail for my office mail. They need to remain separate (the ISDN link isn't 100% reliable), but I'd like to be able to read both in one Gnus session. That I'd end up seeing the office email twice isn't necessarily a bad thing (although being able to have separate newsrc.eld files, in differing directories, for each server would be a nice thing, IMNSHO (; ), but the nnml trees themselves do need to reside in different directories. -- +---------------------- Tivoli Customer Support ----------------------+ | Sten Drescher Tivoli Systems, Inc | | email: sten.drescher@tivoli.com 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy North | | phone: (512) 794-9070 Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 500 | | fax : (512) 345-2784 Austin, Texas 78759 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-07 1:35 ` Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-08 4:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-11-07 16:03 ` Sten Drescher [not found] ` <vafbud927gg.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-11-08 4:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: > No ftp necessary, as I have everything NFS mounted. The > problem is that I'll have 2 procmail spool directories, and 2 nnml > directories: ~/Mail for my home mail (both procmail and nnml), and > ~/Tivoli/mail and ~/Tivoli/Mail for my office mail. They need to > remain separate (the ISDN link isn't 100% reliable), but I'd like to > be able to read both in one Gnus session. Ah. So you basically want to have `nnmail-procmail-directory' be a list of directories? Or do you need something more advanced than that? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-08 4:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-11-07 16:03 ` Sten Drescher 1996-11-07 18:31 ` Sudish Joseph 1996-11-07 18:57 ` David Moore [not found] ` <vafbud927gg.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-07 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: LMI> Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: >> No ftp necessary, as I have everything NFS mounted. The problem is >> that I'll have 2 procmail spool directories, and 2 nnml >> directories: ~/Mail for my home mail (both procmail and nnml), and >> ~/Tivoli/mail and ~/Tivoli/Mail for my office mail. They need to >> remain separate (the ISDN link isn't 100% reliable), but I'd like >> to be able to read both in one Gnus session. LMI> Ah. So you basically want to have `nnmail-procmail-directory' be LMI> a list of directories? Or do you need something more advanced LMI> than that? More advanced. I understand what your to be suggestion is for everything from all the directories in the nnmail-procmail-directory list would go into the (single) nnml-directory. What I need is for mail from nnmail-procmail-directory-1 (~/Mail) needs to go into nnml-directory-1 (~/Mail), and mail from nnmail-procmail-directory-2 (~/Tivoli/mail) needs to go into nnml-directory-2 (~/Tivoli/Mail). -- +---------------------- Tivoli Customer Support ----------------------+ | Sten Drescher Tivoli Systems, Inc | | email: sten.drescher@tivoli.com 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy North | | phone: (512) 794-9070 Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 500 | | fax : (512) 345-2784 Austin, Texas 78759 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-07 16:03 ` Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-07 18:31 ` Sudish Joseph 1996-11-07 19:46 ` Hrvoje Niksic 1996-11-07 18:57 ` David Moore 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sudish Joseph @ 1996-11-07 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: > More advanced. I understand what your to be suggestion is for > everything from all the directories in the nnmail-procmail-directory > list would go into the (single) nnml-directory. What I need is for > mail from nnmail-procmail-directory-1 (~/Mail) needs to go into > nnml-directory-1 (~/Mail), and mail from nnmail-procmail-directory-2 > (~/Tivoli/mail) needs to go into nnml-directory-2 (~/Tivoli/Mail). I've suggested this before: it'd be cool if we allowed per-group new mail sources. In this case, you'd associate a different spool file with each of the above groups. -Sudish ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-07 18:31 ` Sudish Joseph @ 1996-11-07 19:46 ` Hrvoje Niksic 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Hrvoje Niksic @ 1996-11-07 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: The Ding List Sudish Joseph (sudish@mindspring.com) wrote: > I've suggested this before: it'd be cool if we allowed per-group new > mail sources. In this case, you'd associate a different spool file > with each of the above groups. Yes, it would be fun -- I've always wanted to reach some groups through procmail, and some from the main spool, etc. Thus you could combine procmail and Gnus mail splitting. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- The end of the world is coming... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-07 16:03 ` Sten Drescher 1996-11-07 18:31 ` Sudish Joseph @ 1996-11-07 18:57 ` David Moore 1996-11-08 1:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David Moore @ 1996-11-07 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: > >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > LMI> Sten Drescher <sten.drescher@tivoli.com> writes: > > LMI> Ah. So you basically want to have `nnmail-procmail-directory' be > LMI> a list of directories? Or do you need something more advanced > LMI> than that? > > More advanced. I understand what your to be suggestion is for > everything from all the directories in the nnmail-procmail-directory > list would go into the (single) nnml-directory. What I need is for > mail from nnmail-procmail-directory-1 (~/Mail) needs to go into > nnml-directory-1 (~/Mail), and mail from nnmail-procmail-directory-2 > (~/Tivoli/mail) needs to go into nnml-directory-2 (~/Tivoli/Mail). Hmm, could you overbind nnmail-procmail-directory in the secondary select method? Mayhaps it'd need to be defvoo'd rather than defvar'd. Something like this rather untested code. (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "email-1" (nnml-directory "~/Mail") (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Mail")) (nnml "email-2" (nnml-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail") (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail"))) ) -- David Moore <dmoore@ucsd.edu> | Computer Systems Lab __o UCSD Dept. Computer Science - 0114 | Work: (619) 534-8604 _ \<,_ La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 | Fax: (619) 534-1445 (_)/ (_) <URL:http://oj.egbt.org/dmoore/> | Solo Furnace Creek 508 -- 1996! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-07 18:57 ` David Moore @ 1996-11-08 1:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-11-08 17:09 ` Sten Drescher 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-11-08 1:30 UTC (permalink / raw) David Moore <dmoore@UCSD.EDU> writes: > (setq > gnus-secondary-select-methods > '((nnml "email-1" > (nnml-directory "~/Mail") > (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Mail")) > (nnml "email-2" > (nnml-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail") > (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail"))) > ) Yes, this should work, and if it doesn't, it's a bug. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-08 1:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-11-08 17:09 ` Sten Drescher 1996-11-08 21:54 ` Sten Drescher 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-08 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: LMI> David Moore <dmoore@UCSD.EDU> writes: >> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "email-1" >> (nnml-directory "~/Mail") (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Mail")) >> (nnml "email-2" (nnml-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail") >> (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail"))) ) LMI> Yes, this should work, and if it doesn't, it's a bug. Then it's a bug. It _almost_ works, but it ignored the active file in the nnmail-directory ~/Tivoli/Mail, and started reusing article numbers. Example: The high article number in ~/Tivoli/Mail/mail/grendel is 2576, and it put a new mail down as article 10. -- +---------------------- Tivoli Customer Support ----------------------+ | Sten Drescher Tivoli Systems, Inc | | email: sten.drescher@tivoli.com 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy North | | phone: (512) 794-9070 Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 500 | | fax : (512) 345-2784 Austin, Texas 78759 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-08 17:09 ` Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-08 21:54 ` Sten Drescher 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-08 21:54 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Sten Drescher writes: >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: LMI> David Moore <dmoore@UCSD.EDU> writes: >>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "email-1" >>> (nnml-directory "~/Mail") (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Mail")) >>> (nnml "email-2" (nnml-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail") >>> (nnmail-procmail-directory "~/Tivoli/Mail"))) ) LMI> Yes, this should work, and if it doesn't, it's a bug. SD> Then it's a bug. It _almost_ works, but it ignored the active SD> file in the nnmail-directory ~/Tivoli/Mail, and started reusing SD> article numbers. Example: The high article number in SD> ~/Tivoli/Mail/mail/grendel is 2576, and it put a new mail down as SD> article 10. And the solution was another variable in the list: (nnml-active-file "~/Mail/active") or (nnml-active-file "~/Tivoli/Mail/active"). Mow the only thing I'm left wanting is using the .newsrc.eld files from both ~ and ~/Tivoli. (; -- +---------------------- Tivoli Customer Support ----------------------+ | Sten Drescher Tivoli Systems, Inc | | email: sten.drescher@tivoli.com 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy North | | phone: (512) 794-9070 Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 500 | | fax : (512) 345-2784 Austin, Texas 78759 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools [not found] ` <vafbud927gg.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> @ 1996-11-07 16:35 ` Kai Grossjohann 1996-11-07 19:43 ` Sten Drescher 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1996-11-07 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Gnus Development >>>>> Sten Drescher writes: LMI> Ah. So you basically want to have `nnmail-procmail-directory' be LMI> a list of directories? Or do you need something more advanced LMI> than that? Sten> More advanced. IMHO you can do the `more advanced' part with group names. If, say, your Tivoli groups are all named t.foo, the problem wouldn't arise. Am I wrong? kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple nnml hierarchies, with separate procmail spools 1996-11-07 16:35 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1996-11-07 19:43 ` Sten Drescher 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1996-11-07 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Kai Grossjohann writes: >>>>> Sten Drescher writes: LMI> Ah. So you basically want to have `nnmail-procmail-directory' be LMI> a list of directories? Or do you need something more advanced LMI> than that? Sten> More advanced. KG> IMHO you can do the `more advanced' part with group names. If, KG> say, your Tivoli groups are all named t.foo, the problem wouldn't KG> arise. KG> Am I wrong? Unfortunately, yes. First, the nnml trees aren't, and can't be, in the same directory, so the active files need to be discrete. If I symlinked the tivoli.* and support.* trees and procmail spool files into my home directories, the discrete active files would potentially result in articles being overwritten (Gnus-office looks in it's active file, sees that the high article number in it's active file for support.mail is 3456, and proceeds to write articles 3457-3498. Then Gnus-home looks at it's active file, sees that the high article number is 3432, and writes 3433-3459). Second, yes, there are name collisions: mail.misc, mail.daemon, list.ding, etc. The problem here seems to be that, while Gnus knows how to deal with multiple backends, and multiple nntp backends, the nnml backend isn't designed to handle multiple instances. That's what I need: dual nnml 'servers'. -- +---------------------- Tivoli Customer Support ----------------------+ | Sten Drescher Tivoli Systems, Inc | | email: sten.drescher@tivoli.com 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy North | | phone: (512) 794-9070 Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 500 | | fax : (512) 345-2784 Austin, Texas 78759 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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