From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/46662 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: grossjoh@lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Offline mail and group cooperation Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:11:32 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1032812025 5682 127.0.0.1 (23 Sep 2002 20:13:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17tZaS-0001TT-00 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:13:44 +0200 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17tZZE-0001QN-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:12:28 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09085 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:12:54 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (qmail 3255 invoked by alias); 23 Sep 2002 20:12:05 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 3250 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 20:12:05 -0000 Original-Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (129.217.4.42) by gnus.org with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 20:12:05 -0000 Original-Received: from lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lothlorien [129.217.19.67]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id g8NKBc811864 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:11:38 +0200 (MES) Original-Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.19.80]) by lothlorien.cs.uni-dortmund.de id WAA25618; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:11:32 +0200 (MET DST) Original-Received: by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix, from userid 6104) id 9C0A83B5AE; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:11:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 55 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46662 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:46662 We are a bunch of folks all using Gnus. Soon we will all have laptops and work on them at home, at work, and in the train. So now is the time to think about disconnected usage. We also cooperate, ie we have common groups we post to. I guess that nnimap and Gnus Agent is still one of the major alternatives. I remember that I tried it a long time ago and I was confused about which messages it wanted to download automatically. I guess that we want to download all messages (regardless of marks) in selected groups. Is this possible with the Agent? The common groups could be handled via shared folders. But I think we would want separated marks. Does Cyrus allow us to say which marks should be per-user and which should be per-folder? Or is there another IMAP server we should use? And then there is the thorny problem that nnimap/agent do not allow moving of messages from one group to another while offline, right? (And if we do IMAP, then I think I want to do my splitting using ifilter. But that would have to be done on the server side, and how does ifilter on the server know that I've moved a message?) Another alternative might be to install a news server for our group, and everybody installs leafnode on their laptop. That would be kind of cool, really :-) Moving messages could be done with supersede, I think. But then we have to maintain a news server installation -- I think leafnode won't do for the central server, for it allows no local groups, right? How difficult is it to install and administer a `real' news server for this purpose? Hm. And then there is the authentication issue -- we are not paranoid but maybe we want to hide some groups from our students. What do we do about personal mail in this case? And what about normal news groups like gnu.emacs.gnus? I wonder if nnmaildir could somehow do the job? Nnmaildir seems to be nifty generally, and I'd believe it can make coffee for us :-) Kudos to Paul. Alas, I've never really looked at it so I don't have an idea what it can _actually_ do. And then, still, we could go the low-tech approach: instead of common groups or shared folders, we just have mail aliases and everybody has their own copy of the message. A colleague also said that he ideally wants to be able to access the mail from any computer, not only from the laptop. This is for the case where you are traveling and you find a computer with internet access and putty, say, but you can't plug in your laptop for whatever reason. Are we asking for too many features? I'm interested in the general approach to doing things at this time, I think I can work out the nitty-gritty details later on. All comments appreciated. kai -- ~/.signature is: umop 3p!sdn (Frank Nobis)