* Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl @ 1999-08-27 14:10 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-08-27 15:07 ` Nicolas Chuche 1999-08-28 0:07 ` Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el Stainless Steel Rat 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-08-27 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw) I just remembered that I had forgotten to install Emacs 20.4, so now I have done so. Everything seems to work OK, except for some annoying glitches when reading messages. It's as if there's a forced redisplay of the entire frame when I press `N' or the like. It's like -- I see the old article; the whole frame flashes to white (which is my background color); and then the new article is displayed. Does anybody else see this? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl 1999-08-27 14:10 ` Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-08-27 15:07 ` Nicolas Chuche 1999-08-27 15:23 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-08-27 15:32 ` What's Gnus 5.7? (was: Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl) Kai Großjohann 1999-08-28 0:07 ` Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el Stainless Steel Rat 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Chuche @ 1999-08-27 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> a écrit: > Does anybody else see this? Nop (with pgnus-0.95). And i've got a question : what is the gnus 5.7 with emacs 20.4 ? I have not found it on the mirrors and it seems to be different off all the versions i've got. Huho, it seems that i've got work for my gnus.el work with pgnus :( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl 1999-08-27 15:07 ` Nicolas Chuche @ 1999-08-27 15:23 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-08-27 15:35 ` Nicolas Chuche 1999-08-27 15:32 ` What's Gnus 5.7? (was: Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl) Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-08-27 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Nicolas Chuche <nchuche@teaser.fr> writes: > And i've got a question : what is the gnus 5.7 with emacs 20.4 ? It's the last Gnus 5.6 minus the XEmacs stuff. Kinda. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl 1999-08-27 15:23 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-08-27 15:35 ` Nicolas Chuche 1999-09-25 6:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Chuche @ 1999-08-27 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> a écrit: > > And i've got a question : what is the gnus 5.7 with emacs 20.4 ? > > It's the last Gnus 5.6 minus the XEmacs stuff. Kinda. And who's the $*ùù*$^ who give this version number ? I've search for 2 days what is this 5.7... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl 1999-08-27 15:35 ` Nicolas Chuche @ 1999-09-25 6:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-09-25 6:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Nicolas Chuche <nchuche@teaser.fr> writes: > > > And i've got a question : what is the gnus 5.7 with emacs 20.4 ? > > > > It's the last Gnus 5.6 minus the XEmacs stuff. Kinda. > > And who's the $*ùù*$^ who give this version number ? Mee! > I've search for 2 days what is this 5.7... *evil laughter* My plan to waste the time of the world's computer users by numbering releases in a silly way is finally coming to fruition! Soon, the world's entire population will be looking for Flargbnoze Gnus v9.3bz, and the world will grind to a halt and be mine! Mine! (I haven't yet worked out how, exactly, it gets to be mine, but I'm sure that's just a minor detail.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* What's Gnus 5.7? (was: Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl) 1999-08-27 15:07 ` Nicolas Chuche 1999-08-27 15:23 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-08-27 15:32 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 1999-08-27 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Nicolas Chuche <nchuche@teaser.fr> writes: > And i've got a question : what is the gnus 5.7 with emacs 20.4 ? It is the Gnus distributed with Emacs 20.4. Gnus 5.7 is almost identical to the last Gnus 5.6 release, but I think some things from Gnus cannot be included in Emacs, due to copyright stuff. nndb.el comes to mind. But nobody is actually using that, right? (Is the nndb project still alive? I have switched to an IMAP server...) kai -- I like BOTH kinds of music. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el 1999-08-27 14:10 ` Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-08-27 15:07 ` Nicolas Chuche @ 1999-08-28 0:07 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1999-08-28 17:34 ` Jan Vroonhof 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-08-28 0:07 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 By the way, I learned the hard way that pop3.el as currently distributed with pGnus does not work with FSF Emacs 20.4. RMS (or someone) made some major changes to password reading in general, and ange-ftp and pop3.el in particular, AND NEVER BOTHERED TO INFORM ME OF THESE CHANGES. Since RMS (or whomever) does not feel that I am good enough to keep me in the loop, I am taking myself out. I do not maintain pop3.el any more. Please send your bug reports to RMS. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3xyg+gl+vIlSVSNkRApgiAJ0Ww3lBpNglY17yfljplebJ7gFFgwCg44+y o5sY9/8cHkrIxoIoBgqsspE= =oLqj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el 1999-08-28 0:07 ` Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-08-28 17:34 ` Jan Vroonhof 1999-08-29 13:24 ` Stainless Steel Rat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan Vroonhof @ 1999-08-28 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > Since RMS (or whomever) does not feel that I am good enough to keep me in > the loop, I am taking myself out. I do not maintain pop3.el any more. > Please send your bug reports to RMS. Please remember that you have "other customers" using Emacs versions _not_ maintained by RMS. Jan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el 1999-08-28 17:34 ` Jan Vroonhof @ 1999-08-29 13:24 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1999-08-29 15:45 ` Jan Vroonhof 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-08-29 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 * Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> on Sat, 28 Aug 1999 | Please remember that you have "other customers" using Emacs versions | _not_ maintained by RMS. XEmacs 21 does not break the stock pop3 (it uses efs in that situation). So for now there is nothing to worry about. But on the other hand, the XEmacs developers did the same thing, just on a much larger scale. Compare my code with the pop3 in XEmacs 21 and you will see very, very significant differences. The XEmacs develpers never informed me of these changes, either, nor have they honored my request that they change the name so as to avoid confusion. Both sides have told me to take a hike by telling me nothing, so I'm like, "fuck 'em both". It really is not worth my time and energy to fight over it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3yTR8gl+vIlSVSNkRAr+1AJ9bzMi+rP5GFbPDuIfseqNacXcYzQCgiVDR 61URGzInnw6Yltc5gliaD1o= =XSOJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el 1999-08-29 13:24 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-08-29 15:45 ` Jan Vroonhof 1999-08-29 20:51 ` Stainless Steel Rat 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan Vroonhof @ 1999-08-29 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes: > But on the other hand, the XEmacs developers did the same thing, just on a > much larger scale. Compare my code with the pop3 in XEmacs 21 and you will > see very, very significant differences. The XEmacs develpers never > informed me of these changes, either, nor have they honored my request that > they change the name so as to avoid confusion. This is indeed very bad :-( and is in fact very much against "XEmacs policy". I can only apologize. It seems to be working in other cases (for instance for EFS, ediff and reftex we forward the patches to the respective maintainers, they release a new version and then _that_ gets out in the respective XEmacs package). One of the reasons for having such a policy is that is extremely hard to get out of such a mess. Changing name is unfortunately not always an option, especially not for libraries that are required. Say you write an (almost) completely compatible implementation of some elisp file, then for the user to easily make use of is you want the interface (feature name, variable & function names) to be identical. For instance I wrote lazy-shot.el, apart from the replacement of string "lazy-lock" by "lazy-shot" it is a complete, XEmacs specific, re-implementation of lazy-lock v2 as shipped with GNU Emacs. The only things I copied from lazy-shot are doc strings. I tried very hard to make the interface identical as I wanted the users customization to work under both Emacs versions. I originally wanted to rename my variables and functions to lazy-lock for that reason. However Simon Marshall (the author of lazy-lock) wants me keep the names different in order to avoid confusion. I have not done the renaming but still don't like the situation. The problem here is that the name of variables and function indicates both the interface and a particular implementation. To get back to pop3. I don't know why your weren't informed of the initial changes, however I can see why don't see the newer ones: Andy seems to have made the fork "official": ;; Maintainer: Andy Piper <andy@xemacs.org> ;; Keywords: mail, pop3 ;; Version: 2.04 ;; [..] ;; mostly stolen from epop3mail. Please address problems with this ;; version (2.xx) to [Andy Piper]. Jan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el 1999-08-29 15:45 ` Jan Vroonhof @ 1999-08-29 20:51 ` Stainless Steel Rat 1999-08-29 21:04 ` Andy Piper 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-08-29 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 * Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> on Sun, 29 Aug 1999 | ;; Maintainer: Andy Piper <andy@xemacs.org> | ;; Keywords: mail, pop3 | ;; Version: 2.04 The "official" (and now final) version of pop3.el as far as I am concerned is 1.3s. A quick look at 2.03 (the version with XEmacs 21.1.4 that I have) indicates that there are numerous fixes in 1.3 that have not been rolled into 2.0. Of note: Content-Length headers are not generated, no coding-system fixes, no unwind-protects around pop3-movemail's guts to help it fall out more gracefully on an error condition, a simple fix for a problem caused by Win32's different line termination is not there, nor is the fix for a problem with VMS caused by % characters. I am copying Andy on this to let him know that due to both the FSF and XEmacs people (him in particular because he has assumed control on behalf of XEmacs) neglecting to inform me of code changes I have given up maintaining pop3.el, and that the code he is maintaining is critically flawed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3yZ1Vgl+vIlSVSNkRAu/1AKDBZf59eP65yNpv5t4hH/K0iuwySACg/cfD oxxZZBhxJ3fvuB6cV5FOlYs= =SfoN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> \ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs 20.4 & Pterodactyl & pop3.el 1999-08-29 20:51 ` Stainless Steel Rat @ 1999-08-29 21:04 ` Andy Piper 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andy Piper @ 1999-08-29 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw) At 04:51 PM 8/29/99 -0400, Stainless Steel Rat wrote: >I am copying Andy on this to let him know that due to both the FSF and >XEmacs people (him in particular because he has assumed control on behalf >of XEmacs) neglecting to inform me of code changes I have given up >maintaining pop3.el, and that the code he is maintaining is critically >flawed. Thank you. I will roll in the changes to our version. As a note of order the XEmacs changes are pretty much identical to the ones I sent you a while back. andy -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Andy Piper Senior Consultant Architect, BEA Systems Ltd ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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