Re: Decoding QP stuff...

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[visigoth]

"C. R. Oldham" <cro@nca.asu.edu> writes:
> I'm curious to know why you switched back... [ to emacs from xemacs ]

A few reasons.  First, I'm the gnu-emacs maintainer here at the CMU
SCS, and I figured I should really be using what I'm attempting to
support.  So, I compiled up the latest version and tried it out.
Well, I'd forgotten just how much faster Emacs is than XEmacs--on both
X and non X stuff.  So, I completely switched back.  The main things I
miss are the better font support in XEmacs (multiple height fonts in
one window), and more importantly, the ability to attach to a
currently running Emacs session.

I use a local communication tool that displays messages in an emacs
buffer, and I like to leave this tool running when I'm gone.  It's
tremendously useful to be able to attach to the emacs with this in it
when I'm home, so I can see what's been going on while I was away.
I'm getting used to not being able to do that.

Still--FSF is a great deal faster.  And I like that.

John.

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Mark Eichin]

> one window), and more importantly, the ability to attach to a
> currently running Emacs session.

Is this gnuclient/gnuserver, or something else? If it's gnuclient, you
can run that under emacs19, I'm pretty sure...  If it's something
else, what's it called, so I can look for it in the xemacs docs?  (I
run emacs on machines where I need to get work done, but xemacs on
machines where I want pretty colors in tty mode. It's still visibly
slow in tty mode though...)

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> visigoth  writes:

  John> I use a local communication tool that displays messages in an
  John> emacs buffer, and I like to leave this tool running when I'm
  John> gone.  It's tremendously useful to be able to attach to the
  John> emacs with this in it when I'm home, so I can see what's been
  John> going on while I was away.  I'm getting used to not being able
  John> to do that.

Get gnuserv from ftp.wellfleet.com:/netman/psmith.  You can use it to
have a running Emacs execute arbitrary ELisp stuff.
make-frame-on-display is an especially interesting piece of ELisp
stuff for you it would seem :-)

kai
-- 
The arms should be held in a natural and unaffected way and never
be conspicuous. -- Revised Technique of Latin American Dancing

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> Gnus could use See-Also: for the remaining articles.

Yup.  This is on the todo list.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Per Abrahamsen]

visigoth@naiad.fac.cs.cmu.edu writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> 
> > That would horribly break threading.
> 
> Oh, well.  The ability to have one article be a member of two threads
> is theoretically elegant, but as with most such things, won't be
> happening Any Time Soon.

Gnus could use See-Also: for the remaining articles.

Defined in Son-of-RFC 1036.

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[visigoth]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> That would horribly break threading.

Oh, well.  The ability to have one article be a member of two threads
is theoretically elegant, but as with most such things, won't be
happening Any Time Soon.

A theoretical question: so, what if someone -did- construct such a
references header?  How would Gnus react?

> (setq gnus-parse-headers-hook (list 'gnus-decode-rfc1522))
> This is the default.

It sure is.  I discovered the problem after poking around in the
sources for a while.  I have a habit of starting up Gnus w/o high
ascii (glyphs over 126) turned on--then turn it on when I come across
a place I need it.  I've been too lazy to add this to my .emacs like I
should.  Well, the gnus-summary-display-table gets built when Gnus
starts up, so even though I called (standard-display-european), it
leaves the ?'s in the summary buffer.

I have my fix.

John.

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

visigoth@naiad.fac.cs.cmu.edu writes:

> [ Bye the way, I -really- like the ability of Gnus to reply to several
>   messages in one swell foop.  Is there any way to make a message have
>   all messages replied to in its references, or would that horribly
>   break threading? ]

That would horribly break threading.

> Hmm.  What can I do if I want it to do likewise for the Summary
> buffer?  In Xemacs, I think I was getting the real character or
> characters, and in Emacs, I just get a ? for any QP character...

(setq gnus-parse-headers-hook (list 'gnus-decode-rfc1522))

This is the default.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[visigoth]

[ Bye the way, I -really- like the ability of Gnus to reply to several
  messages in one swell foop.  Is there any way to make a message have
  all messages replied to in its references, or would that horribly
  break threading? ]

Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
> I hope I guessed right,

Yup.  That decodes the quoted printable stuff.  Another question

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> I'm not sure what you mean by "high ascii", but if you want to have QP
> decoded in the article buffer, you should add
> `gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable' to `gnus-article-display-hook'. 

Hmm.  What can I do if I want it to do likewise for the Summary
buffer?  In Xemacs, I think I was getting the real character or
characters, and in Emacs, I just get a ? for any QP character...

John.

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

visigoth@naiad.fac.cs.cmu.edu writes:

> So--I recently switched back to using FSF Gnu-Emacs from using Xemacs.
> Now--I've liked being able to read quoted-printable stuff in messages
> that were sent, and I figure out the call I needed to do in Gnu-Emacs
> to get high-ascii to be displayed in X.  Unfortunately, whatever
> mechanism was turning QP into high ascii appears to not be running now.

I'm not sure what you mean by "high ascii", but if you want to have QP
decoded in the article buffer, you should add
`gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable' to `gnus-article-display-hook'. 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Re: Decoding QP stuff...

[Kai Grossjohann]

>>>>> visigoth  writes:

  visigoth> Can anybody point me at a hook to add/variable to frob to
  visigoth> make this work again?

; untested
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable)

I hope I guessed right,
kai
-- 
The arms should be held in a natural and unaffected way and never
be conspicuous. -- Revised Technique of Latin American Dancing

Decoding QP stuff...

[visigoth]

So--I recently switched back to using FSF Gnu-Emacs from using Xemacs.
Now--I've liked being able to read quoted-printable stuff in messages
that were sent, and I figure out the call I needed to do in Gnu-Emacs
to get high-ascii to be displayed in X.  Unfortunately, whatever
mechanism was turning QP into high ascii appears to not be running now.

Can anybody point me at a hook to add/variable to frob to make this
work again?

Thanks,
John.