From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57794 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: colin.rafferty@morganstanley.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus vs Wanderlust Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:58:16 -0400 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1086106212 25667 80.91.224.253 (1 Jun 2004 16:10:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: mail,reader,messages,gnus,use,news,rather,prefer Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6335@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Jun 01 18:09:45 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVBpg-0000yq-00 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:09:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVBpE-0003vt-00; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:09:16 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVBed-0003uf-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:58:19 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVBec-0006dC-Jp for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:58:18 -0500 Original-Received: from pivsbh2.ms.com (pivsbh2.ms.com [199.89.64.104]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808023A01EE for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:58:17 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from pivsbh2.ms.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ms.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E47537A7; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from ny37im01.ms.com (unknown [144.14.31.40]) by pivsbh2.ms.com (internal Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CB2345E; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from paias746.morganstanley.com (paias746 [144.14.107.41]) by ny37im01.ms.com (Sendmail MTA Hub) with ESMTP id i51FwG100292; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Miguel In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.6 (Marutamachi) APEL/10.6 XEmacs/21.4 (patch 12) (Portable Code) (i686-pc-linux) X-Y-Zippy: I just forgot my whole philosophy of life!!! X-Face: ByE+UMAp1klWR3?\RNGx(A-~Ri!YT%C6M!sxoJL+.;9`Q/|+dj7[KR>gGMyV.2qZeot0NI` 4\MA^_Qg`F9=+Ox&zaE?Y9dV%F~Xzf';Zyk2Aobs.uu^Ey0_C6^~q';G#$HkA!ZAHXPpG-" *|Dd*Z4U$4y{{aI0c%75}i~Of(jxYtI[uIpYF<*Zoe|\*/ufb Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57794 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57794 Miguel wrote: > I been using Gnus for email only since a while. I think it is a very > nice client but I would like to compare it with other Gnu/Emacs > email clients. I used VM as a mail reader for about 7 years. I then used Gnus for about two years. I switched back to VM for three more years. I have been using WL for about two months now. I stopped using Gnus for mail because, to paraphrase Kyle Jones, I prefer a mail reader for mail, and a news reader for news. Note that this is a personal decision. When I enter a mail folder, I expect to see all the messages, rather than just the ones for that are new. I prefer to delete messages myself, rather than have them expire. I prefer to have my messages ordered by date rather than by perceived importance. I realize that I have all those options in Gnus. However, those are all working against how Gnus works. I prefer swimming downstream. I switched to WL because at my company, we use imap, and have for a while. Until two months ago, I would use fetchmail+procmail to download, fold, spindle, and mutilate my mail. I would then use VM to read it. I switched to WL because it works with imap, as opposed to VM, which works in spite of imap. I can now keep my mail on the server, and read the 1% of windows-only messages I care about in Thunderbird. I also use nnimap on an experimental basis. However, it is painfully slow to enter a group. For example, right now, my primary inbox shows 15382 messages total. It's sparse -- there are only 707 actual messages. Every time I enter it, it takes between 25 and 30 seconds to generate the threaded summary. That's a long time. I'm running on a 4-way 2.8GHz 6GB unloaded linux box. This makes it effective unusable, since I want to see all my mail, and not just the new mail. VM and WL optimize summary creation by caching the summary. If I get new mail, either one places it in the proper position, so the time spent is proportional to the amount of new mail, rather than the total amount of mail. I love Gnus as a news reader. I use it actively, and think it is the best news reader ever. However, the needs of a mail reader are different from a news reader. -- Colin