* picons questions @ 1998-12-08 18:53 Colin Rafferty 1998-12-09 8:27 ` Didier Verna 1998-12-13 8:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-08 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) With all the complaints about picons not working, I decided to see what all the fuss was, and give them a try. I downloaded the picons from indiana.edu, set the hooks, and everything is cool Now I have a couple of questions which should be simple. I'm running XEmacs 21.0, PGnus 0.62. 1. My default background is black. Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text in black. This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell European flags apart without the text. :-) What can I do to set the picons' backgrounds to be something different? 2. In info (Various->XEmacs Enhancements->Picons->Easy Picons), it mentions adding `gnus-picons-article-display-x-face' to `gnus-article-display-hook'. I have `gnus-article-display-x-face' on there already, and I display my picons in the article buffer. Should I change to picons' method? It seems like the only difference is that I the X-Face in `gnus-header-name-face' instead of `gnus-x-face'. Thanks for any answers. -- Colin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-08 18:53 picons questions Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-09 8:27 ` Didier Verna 1998-12-13 8:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Didier Verna @ 1998-12-09 8:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: GNUS Mailing List Colin Rafferty writes: Colin> 2. In info (Various->XEmacs Enhancements->Picons->Easy Picons), it Colin> mentions adding `gnus-picons-article-display-x-face' to Colin> `gnus-article-display-hook'. I have `gnus-article-display-x-face' on Colin> there already, and I display my picons in the article buffer. Colin> Should I change to picons' method? It seems like the only difference is Colin> that I the X-Face in `gnus-header-name-face' instead of `gnus-x-face'. Not necessarily, I think. Picons are displayed according to your From: header. Faces are displayed if you have a X-Face: header in your message. Personnaly, I display both faces and picons in the articles (I like to have people's faces twice ;-). -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C201.1 mailto:verna@inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 73 46 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-08 18:53 picons questions Colin Rafferty 1998-12-09 8:27 ` Didier Verna @ 1998-12-13 8:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1998-12-14 13:54 ` Colin Rafferty 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-12-13 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes: > 1. My default background is black. So is mine... > Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text > in black. This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell > European flags apart without the text. :-) Hm... I haven't seen this, really -- but perhaps I just haven't noticed it. Could you give an example of a From line that displays this? > 2. In info (Various->XEmacs Enhancements->Picons->Easy Picons), it > mentions adding `gnus-picons-article-display-x-face' to > `gnus-article-display-hook'. I have `gnus-article-display-x-face' > on there already, and I display my picons in the article buffer. > > Should I change to picons' method? That's not necessary. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-13 8:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-12-14 13:54 ` Colin Rafferty 1998-12-14 14:02 ` Colin Rafferty 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-14 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 572 bytes --] Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes: >> 1. My default background is black. > So is mine... >> Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text >> in black. This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell >> European flags apart without the text. :-) > Hm... I haven't seen this, really -- but perhaps I just haven't > noticed it. Could you give an example of a From line that displays > this? Here is an example: `From: Lars Balker Rasmussen <lbr@image.dk>'. Here is what I see when I bring it up normally: [-- Attachment #2: ~/tmp/bad.gif" --] [-- Type: message/external-body, Size: 97 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 148 bytes --] What you don't realize is that there is a "Denmark" in the title. When I select the region (I have zmacs-regions t), I can see the whole picon: [-- Attachment #4: ~/tmp/high.gif" --] [-- Type: message/external-body, Size: 97 bytes --] [-- Attachment #5: Type: text/plain, Size: 67 bytes --] See the problem? [ By the way, I really like mm.el. ] -- Colin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-14 13:54 ` Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-14 14:02 ` Colin Rafferty 1998-12-15 17:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-14 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw) I'm sorry, mm.el did not wrap my files. I need to upgrade, I guess. Colin Rafferty writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes: >>> 1. My default background is black. >> So is mine... >>> Unfortunately, most picons have tranparent backgrounds and text >>> in black. This makes the text unreadable, and I can't tell >>> European flags apart without the text. :-) >> Hm... I haven't seen this, really -- but perhaps I just haven't >> noticed it. 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* Re: picons questions 1998-12-14 14:02 ` Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-15 17:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1998-12-15 17:41 ` Colin Rafferty 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-12-15 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes: > > See the problem? Ah; yes -- I didn't even know that there was text above the flags. :-) Er... Well, what should one do about this? How is the picons code supposed to transmogrify (some) of the colors in the picons? Anyone got any ideas? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-15 17:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-12-15 17:41 ` Colin Rafferty 1998-12-15 19:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-15 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes: >> > See the problem? > Ah; yes -- I didn't even know that there was text above the flags. > :-) > Er... Well, what should one do about this? How is the picons code > supposed to transmogrify (some) of the colors in the picons? Anyone > got any ideas? I guess you are looking at the long-term, hard solution. My short-term solution is based on my expectations of the people who create transparent icons. I assume that the people who create transparent icons are the same morons that set the foreground color of an HTML document, but not the background color. All these people seem to assume that everyone is using a light background. All that I would need to be happy is to be able to set the background of the picon. So if you could give me a `gnus-picon-face' to customize, I would be more than grateful. -- Colin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-15 17:41 ` Colin Rafferty @ 1998-12-15 19:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1999-01-03 18:50 ` Matt Simmons 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1998-12-15 19:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Colin Rafferty <craffert@ms.com> writes: > All that I would need to be happy is to be able to set the background > of the picon. So if you could give me a `gnus-picon-face' to > customize, I would be more than grateful. Yup. Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: picons questions 1998-12-15 19:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1999-01-03 18:50 ` Matt Simmons 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Matt Simmons @ 1999-01-03 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 330 bytes --] >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: Colin> All that I would need to be happy is to be able to set the background Colin> of the picon. So if you could give me a `gnus-picon-face' to Colin> customize, I would be more than grateful. Lars> Yup. Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69. Whee!! [-- Attachment #2: Picons --] [-- Type: image/gif, Size: 1979 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 143 bytes --] -- Matt Simmons - simmonmt@acm.org - http://www.netcom.com/~simmonmt Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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