From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57824 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: colin.rafferty@morganstanley.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus vs Wanderlust Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:28:22 -0400 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87zn7mvrcl.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <86ise8h9yb.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1086290929 944 80.91.224.253 (3 Jun 2004 19:28:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: summary,score Cc: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6365@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jun 03 21:28:40 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BVxtH-0003Si-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:28:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVxt9-0001nG-00; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:28:31 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BVxt5-0001nB-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:28:27 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BVxt2-0001Q8-62 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:28:24 -0500 Original-Received: from hqvsbh1.ms.com (hqvsbh1.ms.com [205.228.12.101]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C41A3A003C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:28:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from hqvsbh1.ms.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ms.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A5D246FBF; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from ny37im01.ms.com (unknown [144.14.31.40]) by hqvsbh1.ms.com (internal Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCDB6FF1; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from paias746.morganstanley.com (paias746 [144.14.107.41]) by ny37im01.ms.com (Sendmail MTA Hub) with ESMTP id i53JSM122124; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Kai Grossjohann Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding In-Reply-To: <86ise8h9yb.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.6 (Marutamachi) APEL/10.6 XEmacs/21.4 (patch 12) (Portable Code) (i686-pc-linux) X-Y-Zippy: I just had a MAJOR CONTRACT DISPUTE with SUZANNE SOMERS!! X-Face: ByE+UMAp1klWR3?\RNGx(A-~Ri!YT%C6M!sxoJL+.;9`Q/|+dj7[KR>gGMyV.2qZeot0NI` 4\MA^_Qg`F9=+Ox&zaE?Y9dV%F~Xzf';Zyk2Aobs.uu^Ey0_C6^~q';G#$HkA!ZAHXPpG-" *|Dd*Z4U$4y{{aI0c%75}i~Of(jxYtI[uIpYF<*Zoe|\*/ufb Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57824 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57824 Kai Grossjohann wrote: > colin.rafferty@morganstanley.com writes: >> There are two basic problems with how Gnus does this: >> 1. It does not cache summary layout information. When it builds a >> summary, it has to start from scratch. WL always caches, and VM is >> optionally able to cache. > The reason is that new articles might change a lot in the summary > buffer. Note that you can display things like thread score, and if a > thread gains a message, its score will change... I understand completely. While newsgroups and discussion lists are something that I would want to score, and only show the unread articles, I do not want any funky sorting in my primary inbox other than sort by date and use threads. >> 2. Its method of reloading a group is to tear down the summary and lay >> it out again, rather than applying a delta. WL and VM both use >> deltas, so updates are immediate. > Perhaps `/ N' does useful things? It would have been nice. If it really just updated the summary, I would have been able to switch to Gnus. Unfortunately, while it doesn't quit the group and reenter it, it still rebuilds the Summary. -- Colin