From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/13838 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus date suggestion Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:13:16 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.95 - "Inokuchi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035153132 11424 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:32:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jason R Mastaler , joda@pdc.kth.se (Johan Danielsson), "(ding) Gnus Mailing List" , XEmacs Beta Discussion List , Alain La Bonté Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19646 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:18:42 -0800 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21554 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:15:43 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAN03424; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:52:09 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:14:56 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14142 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:14:37 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 9934 invoked by uid 504); 9 Feb 1998 01:14:32 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 9931 invoked from network); 9 Feb 1998 01:14:32 -0000 Original-Received: from degusse.iro.umontreal.ca (132.204.24.51) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 1998 01:14:32 -0000 Original-Received: from raptor.IRO.UMontreal.CA (raptor.IRO.UMontreal.CA [132.204.26.133]) by degusse.iro.umontreal.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27488; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:14:24 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from pinard@localhost) by raptor.IRO.UMontreal.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06972; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:13:17 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Kyle Jones X-Face: "b_m|CE6#'Q8fliQrwHl9K,]PA_o'*S~Dva{~b1n*)K*A(BIwQW.:LY?t4~xhYka_.LV?Qq `}X|71X0ea&H]9Dsk!`kxBXlG;q$mLfv_vtaHK_rHFKu]4'<*LWCyUe@ZcI6"*wB5M@[m écrit: > I'm sure that I've lost track of the point of this discussion. > François, what exactly are you advocating? Not much: that we stay open minded to writing of international dates, use all opportunities we get to switch, and always be careful to *also* recognise international dates wherever software parse dates. It would also be nice if software was offering to display dates as ISO dates, would it imply a conversion at display time. A `Wash Dates' feature, in Gnus terms :-). People could write and see ISO dates, and soon consider American dates as some Quoted-Printable equivalent for dates :-). Jason R Mastaler écrit: > Please be kind enough to followup to these discussions more frequently > than every two or three months. I surely would if I had more free time, yet there is no emergency to do it all in a rush. Those things take time, anyway. Most of the work to do is of human nature, for us to get more aware. As for technical problems, they are fairly easy to solve, at least within the free software world. Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen écrit: > Sure. But we have a situation where all current software supports > RFC822 Date headers, and parsing those headers aren't all that difficult. Parsing by software? Yes, no problem there. Parsed by a human, it stays awkward for many non-Americans. ISO 8601 is not only more logically organised, it also does not impose English words or abbreviations. > However, it does not therefore follow that one should try to redesign > most of the common universe for little real gain. Software, and Gnus is a good example of this, is often made up of myriads of accumulated details, many of which not being that important by themselves. However, driven by a unifying spirit with a vision, such accumulation may yield tremendous results. Internationalisation is somewhat similar. Details are only important through their accumulation. ISO 8601 is a notable detail in this picture, and not a difficult one. -- François Pinard mailto:pinard@iro.umontreal.ca Join the free Translation Project! http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard