From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6116 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2020 00:37:47 -0000 Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu (129.7.128.208) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Sep 2020 00:37:47 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kLFG8-00Fzqj-BF; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:37:16 -0500 Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kLFG3-00Fzot-Lg for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:37:11 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kLFG1-001MRr-Mz for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:37:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References :Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=77Yrj9PxwxfdAHPZTU3YlaZ5AcsuuIxXQPyZbw4+K/I=; b=RMlBY1hRrZgtLiMuEQnOLY42la yDAAYnuMWsW/iiC6prE4rsF1a7vhYzSB/P6ufMsqYDAn65kr8ZoQlcUMzZg8SfvR8iRhK/9X+xASk r87BMb4HsQvxdgYsAFaI0C+SpNIYnUxzH9qzI7L/Csg5IAQlT0Jn3fdpY/T07orrQB2A=; Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214] helo=ciao.gmane.io) by quimby with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kLFFr-0000Mu-Ig for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 02:37:05 +0200 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kLFFq-0006Wu-GW for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 02:36:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ding@gnus.org From: Harry Subject: Re: Unpleasant catch 22 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zh5gf5sk.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 List-ID: Precedence: bulk On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:10:35 -0700, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >Harry writes: > >> I get an error when starting gnus and after it begins mail/news scan >> ... it ends in Authorization Rejected. So apparently a password not >> working for on reason or another. However there is no indication of >> which password. So normally I would start gnus and look in the server >> buffer. However starting gnus results in news scan and the same >> Authorization message... Gnus never finishes its startup. >> >> OK, I thought, I'll start` gnus-no-server' but I'll be darned if that >> doesn't go to a news scan too. ( Why would there be a scan if there >> are no servers?) >> >> (And by the way gnus is running with `debug on error' and `debug on >> quit' engaged) >> >> At least the ending during `gnus-no-server' startup is not about >> Authorization but appearantly, after a very lengthy (more than 15 >> minutes) I finally hit Ctrl-g. No Backtrace is generated it simiply >> says `quit' >> >> I guess a couple of things are raised with this behavior but can >> someone at least tell me how to get a gnus interface without any >> news/mail scanning so I can do other chks? > >Try `gnus-unplugged'? That might depend on what you've got agentized, >though. > >Let us know what servers you have configured, and which require >authorization? And did this problem start after some change? After an >Emacs update? Out of the blue? > gnus-unplugged brings the Authorization error too. You didn't mention if `gnus-no-server' is expected to scan for mail/news and if so, what is the point since no servers are supposed to be engaged. I seem to recall long ago using that call to get into gnus when there was a server problem. (I think probably yrs ago since I had reason to use it) Far as what has changed: I think I know the source of this problem. I attempted to change passwd at forteinc news server ... there method involves them sending a temp passwd that you are supposed to use within an hour. When I tried to use it I lost contact with the server ...(this was in a webpage) and eventually the temp passwd ran out and now do not have use of the old passwd or the tmp one. I've emailed them but have yet to hear back. But, of course, if I could get a gnus interface I could just ditch that server and get on with business. So I'm thinking the real problem is that gnus seems to not have any way to allow that. Still not getting why gnus-no-server does a mail/news scan... which of course means I cannot get gnus started Servers: gmane.io (no uid or passwd) enews.newsguy.com (uid - passwd) Newsguy mail server (uid - passwd) news.forteinc.com (uid - passwd) [one with passwd problem] Several imap servers that rely on uid - passwd 3 gmail imaps - 1 fastmail.com imap