From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23297 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Kleinpaste Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: B [backspace] should act like B [delete]? Date: 14 Jun 1999 20:44:22 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87k8t6hdjn.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161056 1225 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:44:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: tab,xemacs,backspace,ascii,delete,charset,c-i Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03386 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAB04445; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:45:35 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:45:59 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15863 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:45:49 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from beaver.jprc.com (BEAVER.JPRC.COM [207.86.147.217]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03198 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by beaver.jprc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16928; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:44:22 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "5(T0tZd{6}pd~YzBG8O/*EW,.]6]@`m^e;fv65W^Y&=d"M\1H}>T~4_.kcDD.O~y3k)a6h R;Nmi>9|>Nm${2IpM0^RcUEa\jcq?KOP)C&~x51l~zCHTulL^_T|u0I^kB'z@]{`2YjQu In-Reply-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "14 Jun 1999 23:57:03 +0200" Original-Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070087 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.87) XEmacs/21.2 (Sumida) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23297 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23297 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE writes: > On Emacs, and (by default) generate the DEL ascii > character in much the same way as generates the TAB ascii > character. I don't pretend to understand all the underlying goo of keyboard handling in XEmacs, but I do undesstand that XEmacs doesn't convert incoming X keyboard events into any charset elements. Backspace and Delete are just that, Backspace and Delete. Notably, `C-h' and Backspace are not at all the same thing. > I don't really believe that people turn off the effect that and > C-i are the same thing Under X, XEmacs distinguishes between the concepts of , `C-i', and `C-'. There is no charset analogue to this; taken as mere ASCII charset elements, a is already a "controllified" `I' (which is to say, the control characters are those for which the upper 3 bits have been zeroed). Within a terminal environment, including an xterm, XEmacs is of course limited to the set of key events that survive xterm's massaging of the X event stream into an ASCII stream -- `C-' is indeed identical to is identical to `C-i'. --karl