From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/34611 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Kleinpaste Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: gnus-group-suspend forgets "readedness" of newly read articles Date: 07 Feb 2001 13:50:46 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87snlq1lds.fsf@home.com> <87hf261icl.fsf@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035170506 31298 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:21:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from karazm.math.uh.edu (karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.1]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927E5D049D for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:51:56 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by karazm.math.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAC07249; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:51:12 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 07 Feb 2001 12:50:32 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13273 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:50:23 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from cinnamon.vanillaknot.com (MESQUITE.SLIP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.207.11]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3B4D049D for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:50:49 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by cinnamon.vanillaknot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08483; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:50:47 -0500 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "5(T0tZd{6}pd~YzBG8O/*EW,.]6]@`m^e;fv65W^Y&=d"M\1H}>T~4_.kcDD.O~y3k)a6 hR;Nmi>9|>Nm${2IpM0^RcUEa\jcq?KOP)C&~x51l~zCHTulL^_T|u0I^kB'z@]{`2YjQu In-Reply-To: <87hf261icl.fsf@home.com> (Dmitry Yaitskov's message of "07 Feb 2001 13:03:06 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) XEmacs/21.2 (Terspichore) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Original-Lines: 24 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:34611 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:34611 Dmitry Yaitskov writes: > There may be a technical reason for what's happening but it is > still bad UI. I guess I'd have to ask what you were doing back in *Group*, and outside an "unresolved" (unaccounted-for?) *Summary*, in the first place so that the question can even arise. That is, by the manner in which you were using Gnus, you had subverted a piece of its intended UI mechanism. (Enter group from *Group*; read articles from *Summary*; exit *Summary* properly to induce updates in *Group*.) Having successively subverted that, you then complain that it didn't watch closely enough as you did it. I see the point you're trying to make, but I see it as akin to someone complaining that their car's transmission was left on the highway in pieces as they shifted into reverse while racing. Sure, you can do that -- but what were you doing it for, and why is the damage done considered to be the fault of the car? About the most "fix" I could see for this would be for gnus-group-suspend to refuse to do its thing if it saw any unaccounted-for *Summary* buffers lying around, which would analogize to a transmission interlock to prevent shifting into reverse.