From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23248 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Kleinpaste Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: babelgnus Date: 13 Jun 1999 09:28:32 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161016 988 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:43:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19467 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAB18327; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:29:22 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:30:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25644 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from beaver.jprc.com (BEAVER.JPRC.COM [207.86.147.217]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19459 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by beaver.jprc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA30705; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:28:33 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "5(T0tZd{6}pd~YzBG8O/*EW,.]6]@`m^e;fv65W^Y&=d"M\1H}>T~4_.kcDD.O~y3k)a6h R;Nmi>9|>Nm${2IpM0^RcUEa\jcq?KOP)C&~x51l~zCHTulL^_T|u0I^kB'z@]{`2YjQu In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "13 Jun 1999 09:03:27 +0200" Original-Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070085 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.85) XEmacs/21.2 (Sumida) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23248 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23248 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Whadday'allthink? I think that the babel service will go away entirely if it's made so ubiquitously accessible in reading interfaces. If every non-French, Gnus-using reader of fr.* starts translating every single article to English (or German, Finnish, or Flemish), it seems to me that we should reasonably expect that the service will abruptly disappear, having been neither intended nor designed for that level of use. Once Gnus is able to do such a thing, one can only wonder how long before Netscrape and Internet Exploder plug-ins will become available to do the same thing. There is after all a heavy feature-copying mentality in such stuff. (Recall why Gnus gained smilification.) Keeping translation as a manual request for a single article should be the way to go. Auto-translating whole hierarchies will just hurt us, on a social level. Those reading national hierarchies should in general be capable in the subject language.