From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/31073 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Kleinpaste Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Improved (non-annoying) underlining Date: 18 May 2000 21:41:16 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035167525 11977 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 02:32:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: emphasis,ascii art Return-Path: Original-Received: from lisa.math.uh.edu (lisa.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.49]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06537D0520 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAB15070; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:42:06 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 18 May 2000 20:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23474 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:41:07 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from mesquite.charcoal.com (MESQUITE.SLIP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.207.11]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44589D051E for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by mesquite.charcoal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22478; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:41:16 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "5(T0tZd{6}pd~YzBG8O/*EW,.]6]@`m^e;fv65W^Y&=d"M\1H}>T~4_.kcDD.O~y3k)a6h R;Nmi>9|>Nm${2IpM0^RcUEa\jcq?KOP)C&~x51l~zCHTulL^_T|u0I^kB'z@]{`2YjQu In-Reply-To: Russ Allbery's message of "18 May 2000 17:22:56 -0700" Original-Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.2 (Iris) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:31073 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:31073 Russ Allbery writes: > wrong here, as *emphasis like this* and *emphasis* *like* *this* do in > fact have very different meanings, a difference of meaning that's lost by > converting that emphasis into font changes. Well, the whole situation is rather like old-style "ASCII art": People would generate complex quasi-monochrome pictures based on printer character density to get a weird greyscale kind of graphic. It only had any meaning before real graphic support existed for common folk. So _this_ /kind/ of *emphasis* is the "ASCII art" way of _*showing*_ _/real/_ */typographical/* _*/variation/*_. The fact that people expect *this emphasis* to be semantically different from *this* *emphasis* is an indication that they've forgotten that the concept being transmitted to the reader was typographical variation, so the ASCII art has become an end in itself, because there's literally no manifestation of this supposed differing semantic in any venue other than text/plain emphasizers. To each his own... :-), --karl