bah, i've had it with html

bah, i've had it with html

[Brian Edmonds]

Ok, is there a reasonably straightforward way to tell Gnus (5.8.6
currently here) that I never want it to render HTML?  Ever?  If I get a
message in which the only content is in HTML, I'd rather see the HTML
source.

Brian.

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Colin Walters]

Brian Edmonds <brian@gweep.ca> writes:

> Ok, is there a reasonably straightforward way to tell Gnus (5.8.6
> currently here) that I never want it to render HTML?  Ever?  If I
> get a message in which the only content is in HTML, I'd rather see
> the HTML source.

>From my ~/.gnus file:

(setq mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display))

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Brian Edmonds]

Colin Walters <walters@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>> Ok, is there a reasonably straightforward way to tell Gnus (5.8.6
>> currently here) that I never want it to render HTML?  Ever?
> From my ~/.gnus file:
> (setq mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display))

Many thanks, this works great!  Nothing against w3, which I have used
happily for various actual web browsing, I just wince every time it gets
started up for a piece of email.

Brian.

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Kai Großjohann]

On 26 Jul 2001, Brian Edmonds wrote:

> Many thanks, this works great!  Nothing against w3, which I have
> used happily for various actual web browsing, I just wince every
> time it gets started up for a piece of email.

I'm happy with this:

(add-to-list 'mm-discouraged-alternatives "text/html")

Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative.

kai
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Itai Zukerman]

I asked this before but didn't get any response.

Does anyone have any idea why (without w3) text/html attachments are
displayed as source at first, but if I press the attachment button
twice Gnus invokes mm-display-part which (correctly) uses mailcap for
display?  Why isn't mm-display-part used the first time?

(I get the feeling that there are two different MIME handling
mechanisms buried in Gnus, and I can't quite follow the code...)

This is with CVS gnus from 2001.07.04, and Emacs 20.7.

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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Bill White]

On Fri Jul 27 2001 at 04:07, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) said:

    > On 26 Jul 2001, Brian Edmonds wrote:
    > 
>> Many thanks, this works great!  Nothing against w3, which I have
>> used happily for various actual web browsing, I just wince every
>> time it gets started up for a piece of email.
    > 
    > I'm happy with this:
    > 
    > (add-to-list 'mm-discouraged-alternatives "text/html")
    > 
    > Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative.

I've used your line above for quite a while, but I see text/plain
alternatives so rarely nowadays that it's time for something more
powerful.

When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the
summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an html2text[1]
script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course, finish up with
`C-c C-c'.  Is there some way to automate that for these stupid
html-only nnml messages?

Cheers -

bw

Footnotes: 
[1] 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
#! /usr/local/bin/perl

$^W = 1;
use strict;
use POSIX   ();
use Fcntl;

my $tmp = POSIX::tmpnam();
while( ! sysopen(F, $tmp, O_WRONLY|O_EXCL|O_CREAT, 0600) ) {
    die "Attempt to open $tmp failed: $!"
        unless $! =~ "File exists";
    $tmp = POSIX::tmpnam();
}

while(<>) {
    print F;
}

close(F)
    or die "Close of $tmp failed: $!";

!system(qw(lynx -dump -force_html), $tmp)
    or die "System failed: $!";

END {
    unlink $tmp if -f $tmp;
}
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Brian Edmonds]

Bill White <billw@wolfram.com> writes:
> Is there some way to automate [html2txt] for these stupid html-only
> nnml messages?

At my last job where I was usin procmail, I added a rule to pass any
text/html or multipart/alternative messages through demime before
filing.  Simple, and worked great.

But really, all I seem to get in HTML-only is spam, and I'd rather not
bother.  I just don't want w3 loading up for something I didn't really
want to read anyways.

Brian.

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Kim Minh Kaplan]

Bill White writes:

> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the
> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an html2text[1]
> script on it (`C-u M-| html2text')

Isn't W h (M-x gnus-article-wash-html) good enough?

Kim Minh.

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Bill White]

On Fri Jul 27 2001 at 08:46, Kim Minh Kaplan <kaplan@kim-minh.com> said:

    > Bill White writes:
    > 
>> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the
>> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an
>> html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text')
    > 
    > Isn't W h (M-x gnus-article-wash-html) good enough?

No - it uses w3.

Cheers -

bw
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Itai Zukerman]

> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the
> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an html2text[1]
> script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course, finish up with
> `C-c C-c'.  Is there some way to automate that for these stupid
> html-only nnml messages?

Perhaps you can convince Gnus to use mailcap.  Some potential mailcap entries:

  text/html; /usr/bin/html2text '%s'; copiousoutput
  text/html; /usr/bin/links -dump '%s'; copiousoutput

mm-display part seems to handle this properly (when w3 *isn't*
installed, anyway); see my other post in this thread.

This seems more elegant that putting text/html-specific code in Gnus.

(Or, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...)

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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Bill White]

On Fri Jul 27 2001 at 09:07, Itai Zukerman <zukerman@math-hat.com> said:

>> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the
>> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an
>> html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course,
>> finish up with `C-c C-c'.  Is there some way to automate that for
>> these stupid html-only nnml messages?
    > 
    > Perhaps you can convince Gnus to use mailcap.  Some potential
    > mailcap entries:

A-ha.  (require 'mailcap)!

    >   text/html; /usr/bin/html2text '%s'; copiousoutput
    > 
    > mm-display part seems to handle this properly (when w3 *isn't*
    > installed, anyway); see my other post in this thread.
    > 
    > This seems more elegant that putting text/html-specific code in Gnus.

Excellent - the perfect solution for me.  I control when it happens,
and it works in one very well-defined area.

Thanks!

bw
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Simon Josefsson]

Itai Zukerman <zukerman@math-hat.com> writes:

> Does anyone have any idea why (without w3) text/html attachments are
> displayed as source at first, but if I press the attachment button
> twice Gnus invokes mm-display-part which (correctly) uses mailcap for
> display?  Why isn't mm-display-part used the first time?

Maybe w3 throws an error the first time.  Does M-x
toggle-debug-on-error RET before viewing the article the first time
result in something useful (a backtrace)?

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Itai Zukerman]

Je Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:46:15 +0200,
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> scribis:
> Itai Zukerman <zukerman@math-hat.com> writes:
> 
>> Does anyone have any idea why (without w3) text/html attachments are
>> displayed as source at first, but if I press the attachment button
>> twice Gnus invokes mm-display-part which (correctly) uses mailcap for
>> display?  Why isn't mm-display-part used the first time?
> 
> Maybe w3 throws an error the first time.  Does M-x
> toggle-debug-on-error RET before viewing the article the first time
> result in something useful (a backtrace)?

I don't have w3 installed, and there are no errors.

It seems that different code is executed the first time the content is
rendered, and when I press the text/html button twice.  But, I'm not
sure why.

Maybe a bug, maybe not.

-- 
Itai Zukerman  <http://www.math-hat.com/~zukerman/>

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann)  on Fri, 27 Jul 2001
| Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative.

No, HTML messages *should* have a text/plain alternative.  These days many
do not.
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Graham Murray]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> No, HTML messages *should* have a text/plain alternative.  These days many
> do not.

And even worse are those which are HTML only, but with *no* MIME
header to indicate this.

Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Kai Großjohann]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bill White wrote:

> When I receive an html-only message, I edit the article (`e' in the
> summary buffer), then select all the html code and run an
> html2text[1] script on it (`C-u M-| html2text'), then, of course,
> finish up with `C-c C-c'.  Is there some way to automate that for
> these stupid html-only nnml messages?

Maybe w3m.el is good for you.  It lets Gnus use the external w3m
program to display HTML.  It's supposed to be fast.

kai
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Kai Großjohann]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> * Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) on Fri, 27 Jul
>   2001
> | Often, HTML messages have a text/plain alternative.
> 
> No, HTML messages *should* have a text/plain alternative.  These
> days many do not.

Okay.  So, `sometimes' rather than `often'.

kai
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann)  on Fri, 27 Jul 2001
| Okay.  So, `sometimes' rather than `often'.

Current and recent versions of Eudora default to "html on" and "no text part".

AOL v6 is html only, no text at all.

Just FYI.
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Re: bah, i've had it with html

[Karl Kleinpaste]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 1031 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 771 bytes --]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> Current and recent versions of Eudora default to "html on" and "no
> text part".

Just another FYI, Eudora is particularly broken as regards handling
multipart/alternative.

This message is mp/alt.  It contains a text/html part *first*, and
text/plain *last*.  That means that every MUA on the planet should
render the message as text/plain, because "last" means "preferred" and
every MUA can "do" text/plain.

But not Eudora.  No, silly us, how dare we presume.  You see, Eudora,
in its parental arrogance, will take such a mp/alt, wrongly display
the text/html and _*throw the text plain away*_ _*/ENTIRELY/*_.  It isn't
even /available/ to the user.

> AOL v6 is html only, no text at all.

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