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From: Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com>
Subject: Re: B [backspace] should act like B [delete]?
Date: 14 Jun 1999 12:23:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vxkvhcqah04.fsf@beaver.jprc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "14 Jun 1999 18:03:39 +0200"

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE writes:
> Normally, <backspace> and <delete> both generate DEL, and DEL (\177)
> is bound.  Binding <backspace> or <delete> overrides that generation
> of DEL.

No, not so.

Under X, the key labelled "<-" generates keysym Backspace and the one
labelled "Del" generates keysym Delete.  XEmacs knows the difference,
annoyingly.  Experiment with xev(1), and you'll see what I mean.  If
Emacs hides the distinction, it has done you a disservice.

Having grown up on the VT100 (aka "God's") keyboard¹, I inverted the
sense of these 2 keys on X keyboards for many, many years, because
Delete Belongs At The Upper Right Of The Main Keyboard².  The number
of conflicts this causes, with applications which want to react to
keysym Backspace but are blissfully unaware of Delete, has gotten
large.  So I finally gave in, tweaked my stty(1) invocation in
.bash_login, undid the key inversion, and went in search of unexpected
misbehavior with respect to Backspace and Delete.

My hands still want desperately to type "B <-", which is why I'd like
for the B summary submap to do -delete-article in that case.
Generally speaking, Backspace and Delete both do deletion-related
things, so it seemed to be a sensible suggestion.

--karl

¹ I have a VT102 of my very own.  Really.
² Under X, I *still* invert the placement of the `~ and ESC keys -- I
even switch their keycaps -- because Escape Belongs At The Upper
Left Of The Main Keyboard. :-)


  reply	other threads:[~1999-06-14 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-14 15:27 Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-14 16:03 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-14 16:23   ` Karl Kleinpaste [this message]
1999-06-14 21:49     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-14 17:07   ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-14 21:51     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-14 17:55   ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-06-14 21:57     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-15  0:44       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-15 15:33       ` Hrvoje Niksic

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