From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/23283 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Kleinpaste Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: B [backspace] should act like B [delete]? Date: 14 Jun 1999 12:23:07 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035161045 1163 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: delete,backspace,del,bs,keysym Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20294 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAB28426; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:23:58 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:24:43 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10102 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from beaver.jprc.com (BEAVER.JPRC.COM [207.86.147.217]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20136 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by beaver.jprc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14953; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:23:07 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "5(T0tZd{6}pd~YzBG8O/*EW,.]6]@`m^e;fv65W^Y&=d"M\1H}>T~4_.kcDD.O~y3k)a6h R;Nmi>9|>Nm${2IpM0^RcUEa\jcq?KOP)C&~x51l~zCHTulL^_T|u0I^kB'z@]{`2YjQu In-Reply-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "14 Jun 1999 18:03:39 +0200" Original-Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070087 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.87) XEmacs/21.2 (Sumida) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23283 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:23283 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE writes: > Normally, and both generate DEL, and DEL (\177) > is bound. Binding or overrides that generation > of DEL. No, not so. Under X, the key labelled "<-" generates keysym Backspace and the one labelled "Del" generates keysym Delete. XEmacs knows the difference, annoyingly. Experiment with xev(1), and you'll see what I mean. If Emacs hides the distinction, it has done you a disservice. Having grown up on the VT100 (aka "God's") keyboard¹, I inverted the sense of these 2 keys on X keyboards for many, many years, because Delete Belongs At The Upper Right Of The Main Keyboard². The number of conflicts this causes, with applications which want to react to keysym Backspace but are blissfully unaware of Delete, has gotten large. So I finally gave in, tweaked my stty(1) invocation in .bash_login, undid the key inversion, and went in search of unexpected misbehavior with respect to Backspace and Delete. My hands still want desperately to type "B <-", which is why I'd like for the B summary submap to do -delete-article in that case. Generally speaking, Backspace and Delete both do deletion-related things, so it seemed to be a sensible suggestion. --karl ¹ I have a VT102 of my very own. Really. ² Under X, I *still* invert the placement of the `~ and ESC keys -- I even switch their keycaps -- because Escape Belongs At The Upper Left Of The Main Keyboard. :-)