From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/15557 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Kleinpaste Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Inserting attribution at a better point Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:01:40 -0400 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035154568 22771 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:56:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Keywords: text,attribution,article,format,quotation Return-Path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (gwyn.tux.org [207.96.122.8]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA19310 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:23:13 -0700 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA31717 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:05:43 -0400 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAT01163; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:38:53 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03496 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:02:46 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from pocari-sweat.jprc.com (POCARI-SWEAT.JPRC.COM [207.86.147.217]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23471 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by pocari-sweat.jprc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04754; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:01:40 -0400 Original-To: ding@gnus.org X-Face: "5(T0tZd{6}pd~YzBG8O/*EW,.]6]@`m^e;fv65W^Y&=d"M\1H}>T~4_.kcDD.O~y3k)a6h R;Nmi>9|>Nm${2IpM0^RcUEa\jcq?KOP)C&~x51l~zCHTulL^_T|u0I^kB'z@]{`2YjQu Original-Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus v5.6.23/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15557 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:15557 I was just reading/commenting in news.software.readers about the problems of logically connecting attribution lines with a writers' own text. It seems to me that putting the attribution at the very top of an article is not at all the right place; it should be put immediately prior to the first unquoted text instead, to connect the writer with his text better. That is, the question revolves around the typical format... ________________ In article <123@foo.bar>, joe@schmo.net writes: > In article <456@foo.bar>, jane@doe.org writes: >> Jane's text goes here, which is appropriate because it's right >> beside the attribution for her. > Joe's text goes here, but it's now a significant distance from the > attribution which identifies Joe. New text continues hereafter. ________________ ...versus a re-placement of the 1st attribution, farther into the article, thus... ________________ In article <456@foo.bar>, jane@doe.org writes: >> Jane's text goes here. In article <123@foo.bar>, joe@schmo.net writes: > Joe's text goes here, now closely connected to his attribution. New text continues hereafter. ________________ Nth-level quotations make the problem of the 1st format all the worse, because attributions get progressively farther from the text each writer contributed to the resulting discussion. Per-depth quotation coloring helps, but does not solve this problem. That's why I'd like to see the 2nd format become possible in Gnus. (I observe that I also take out the quotation `> ' from in front of Jane's attribution line. I'm not sure whether that is /really/ appropriate or not, but I confess that it's how I manually re-work quotation format whenever I followup.) How do others feel about this? --karl