From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75100 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Moreton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Getting rid of the primary/secondary distinction Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:21:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8739pzyr6i.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vzqeq5e.fsf@dod.no> <871v5iwyfp.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292508063 12005 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2010 14:01:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:01:03 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23455@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Dec 16 15:01:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PTEOA-0007LA-P8 for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:00:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PTENS-0001q5-Qz; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:00:14 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PTDuI-0001ge-Bd for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:30:06 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTDuH-0000B4-8o for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:30:06 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTDuG-0000YT-HZ for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:04 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PTDuG-0007M2-Cn for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 193.34.186.16 ([193.34.186.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:04 +0100 Original-Received: from andrewjmoreton by 193.34.186.16 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.34.186.16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:o39h8dyksDxpEAImQLSAKAlpWfc= X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin (3.3.1 2010-03-16) analysis follows Bayesian score: 0.0000 Ham tokens: 0.000-1405--3004h-0s--0d--H*u:Emacs, 0.000-1367--2923h-0s--0d--H*u:Gnus, 0.000-877--1874h-0s--0d--H*r:sk:1AlnuQ-, 0.000-877--1874h-0s--0d--HX-Spam-Relays-External:80.91.229.12, 0.000-877--1874h-0s--0d--H*r:Gmexim Spam tokens: 0.911-300--345h-9093s--0d--Foreign, 0.883-446--1176h-22889s--0d--foreign Autolearn status: no 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is freemail (andrewjmoreton[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.2 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.9 NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED ADSP custom_med hit, and not from a mailing list 0.0 T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75100 Archived-At: On Wed 15 Dec 2010, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:29:17 +0100 Steinar Bang wrote: > >>>>>>> Ted Zlatanov : >>> That sounds like a great solution. Many users (e.g. me) like foreign >>> groups better than select methods, so they don't even have to care >>> about `gnus-methods' but can just add a foreign server and browse the >>> groups it has. > > SB> I've never quite understood the relationship between servers in the > SB> server buffer and select methods, be they primary or secondary. > > SB> I started out with an NNTP server, and then later select methods for > SB> nnmh, and then nnml, and then nnimap, and eventually a succession of > SB> nnimap servers and nntp servers. > > SB> Most new nntp servers I've just added in the server buffer (currently > SB> news.eclipse.org and news.opera.com), and then browsed to the groups I > SB> want. > > SB> I've understood vaguely that these are somehow different than e.g. the > SB> gmane nntp server that is defined with a select method. But to all > SB> appearances they have looked the same, so I haven't worried about it. :-) > > You're using foreign servers. "Foreign" means they are not coming from > the select methods; the select methods are a pure ELisp data structure > that defines what you want to see when you start up. All foreign server > config and subscriptions are stored in the newsrc.eld file. > > Ted Ted, This is the first explanation I've seen of the difference between select methods and foreign servers: it's much more useful than the definitions in the Terminology page of the manual. Can this be added to the manual ? AndyM