From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/22196 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher K Davis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: bad (i.e. serious) mail problems Date: 31 Mar 1999 16:24:07 -0500 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <99Mar30.101000est.13914-3@gateway.intersys.com> <99Mar31.100918est.13949-3@gateway.intersys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035160160 26879 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:29:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "\(ding\)" Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24359 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:30:04 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAB07832; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:25:48 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:26:14 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03165 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:24:47 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from kline-station.ckdhr.com (qmailr@kline-station.ckdhr.com [209.192.160.22]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24200 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:24:41 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (qmail 23271 invoked by uid 139); 31 Mar 1999 21:24:07 -0000 Original-To: Stainless Steel Rat X-Face: I8Alb*-ZdjN\/8k_QR,^l^m6GQB'S-B:}DVP].1HOw#tx:TX$k;Wl;4zqjWR|-jheM#? &beRf(!|0b0m=M~=%.Am>"QEY.(#Ys.%"s?z,hmwp&y0%p>9+T X-Attribution: ckd In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "31 Mar 1999 15:35:23 -0500" Original-Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:22196 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:22196 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > Christopher K Davis on Wed, 31 Mar 1999 >> Note that RFC 822 does *not* include delimeters, whether they be Unix >> mbox format, MMDF, Babyl, or CrUnChYbItSoFsTuDlYcApS. > I never said RFC 822 said anything of the sort. You said, and I quote: > The first line retrieved by the POP RETR command will be either a > message delimiter or an RFC 822 header. It cannot be anything else. > If it is an MMDF delimiter, it is an MMDF spool. If it is a Babyl > delimiter, it is a Babyl spool. If it is an RFC 822 header, the POP > server is broken. According to the POP3 specification in RFC 1939, RETR returns a message (page 8). Also according to the POP3 specification in RFC 1939, messages transferred are assumed to conform to RFC 822 (page 19). This language does not appear to have changed since at least RFC 1460. RFC 822 format does not include message separators. Therefore, any message returned by the RETR command containing a message separator is not in compliance with RFC 822, and therefore violates the POP spec; messages *not* containing a separator, which means their first line will be an RFC 822 header, are *in compliance with the POP specification*. A POP server which sends messages in compliance with the POP specification is not, to most people, considered 'broken' (at least in that respect :-). -- Christopher Davis * * Put location information in your DNS!