missing feedback

missing feedback

[Henry S. Thompson]

I've just switched to Gnus (5.0.15) from gnus, and am largely happy,
but miss two bits of feedback:

1) The reassuring parade of article numbers in the message buffer
during long content searches (M-s, search-article-forward);

2) Some idea of what's happening during news reading:  After
NNTP: Reading ........
I get a palpable (>10 seconds) pause before my few NNSPOOL method
groups (local fake mail-to-news stuff) start flickering by at the
limits of invisibility.  What's happening during that dead time?

Also, is there any way to be saved from myself in a way which gnus
manages because .newsrc is actually in a buffer, namely that if I am
running Gnus on one machine, run it AGAIN (e.g. from home) and read a
bunch of news and exit, then quitting Gnus on the first machine the
next day DOESN'T notice that .newsrc[.eld] has changed and simply
overwrites?

ht

Re: missing feedback

[Colin Rafferty]

Henry S Thompson writes:

> Also, is there any way to be saved from myself in a way which gnus
> manages because .newsrc is actually in a buffer, namely that if I am
> running Gnus on one machine, run it AGAIN (e.g. from home) and read a
> bunch of news and exit, then quitting Gnus on the first machine the
> next day DOESN'T notice that .newsrc[.eld] has changed and simply
> overwrites?

If this ability was added, I would want there to be a variable to turn
it off.

Actually, since this would be a new feature that could impact
performance (NFS at my job stinks), I would prefer to have the default
be to NOT check.

-- 
Colin Rafferty
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  "Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her."
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Re: missing feedback

[Colin Rafferty]

Henry S Thompson writes:

> Also, is there any way to be saved from myself in a way which gnus
> manages because .newsrc is actually in a buffer, namely that if I am
> running Gnus on one machine, run it AGAIN (e.g. from home) and read a
> bunch of news and exit, then quitting Gnus on the first machine the
> next day DOESN'T notice that .newsrc[.eld] has changed and simply
> overwrites?

Also, if you use XEmacs, you don't need to start a new editor from home,
just have gnuserv create a new display on your tty (or $DISPLAY).  I do
this all the time.

-- 
Colin Rafferty

Re: missing feedback

[Paul D. Smith]

%% Regarding Re: missing feedback;
%% craffert@ml.com (Colin Rafferty) writes:

    cr> Also, if you use XEmacs, you don't need to start a new editor
    cr> from home, just have gnuserv create a new display on your tty
    cr> (or $DISPLAY).  I do this all the time.

You don't need XEmacs for that (at least not for $DISPLAY); GNU Emacs
since 19.29 has been able to make a frame on another X display.  I use
this all the time too :)

Re: missing feedback

[William Perry]

Paul D. Smith writes:
> %% Regarding Re: missing feedback;
> %% craffert@ml.com (Colin Rafferty) writes:
> 
>     cr> Also, if you use XEmacs, you don't need to start a new editor
>     cr> from home, just have gnuserv create a new display on your tty
>     cr> (or $DISPLAY).  I do this all the time.
> 
> You don't need XEmacs for that (at least not for $DISPLAY); GNU Emacs
> since 19.29 has been able to make a frame on another X display.  I use
> this all the time too :)

  Ah yes, but notice the key 3 letters in that last post =:> TTY... X over
even 28.8 is pretty painful. :)

-Bill P.

Re: missing feedback

[Paul D. Smith]

%% Regarding Re: missing feedback;
%% William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> writes:

    cr> Also, if you use XEmacs, you don't need to start a new editor
    cr> from home, just have gnuserv create a new display on your tty
    cr> (or $DISPLAY).

    >> You don't need XEmacs for that (at least not for $DISPLAY);

    wp> Ah yes, but notice the key 3 letters in that last post =:>
    wp> TTY... X over even 28.8 is pretty painful. :)

I noticed, that's why I said "at least not for $DISPLAY" :)

Actually, though, after the initial (admittedly painful) startup time to
get the frame created, typing speed, display speed, etc. in the frame is
quite usable over a 28.8 modem--I do this all the time to my Linux box.

And you can make it a bit better with something like dxpc.  Ah, LBX, we
hardly knew ye!

Re: missing feedback

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com> writes:

Colin> Henry S Thompson writes:
>> Also, is there any way to be saved from myself in a way which gnus
>> manages because .newsrc is actually in a buffer, namely that if I am
>> running Gnus on one machine, run it AGAIN (e.g. from home) and read a
>> bunch of news and exit, then quitting Gnus on the first machine the
>> next day DOESN'T notice that .newsrc[.eld] has changed and simply
>> overwrites?

Colin> If this ability was added, I would want there to be a variable to turn
Colin> it off.

It's been in September Gnus for quite awhile now.  See the Sgnus
manual section on Slave Gnusi for details.

   Linkname: September Gnus Manual - Slave Gnusiï
        URL: http://www.miranova.com/sgnus-man/gnus_6.html#SEC5

Colin> Actually, since this would be a new feature that could impact
Colin> performance (NFS at my job stinks), I would prefer to have the default
Colin> be to NOT check.

You have to explicitly ask for it to get it.  Running two Gnus
sessions on the same newsrc without interlock checking is asking for
trouble though.
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Re: missing feedback

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Henry S. Thompson" <ht@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> 1) The reassuring parade of article numbers in the message buffer
> during long content searches (M-s, search-article-forward);

(setq gnus-verbose 10)

> 2) Some idea of what's happening during news reading:  After
> NNTP: Reading ........
> I get a palpable (>10 seconds) pause before my few NNSPOOL method
> groups (local fake mail-to-news stuff) start flickering by at the
> limits of invisibility.  What's happening during that dead time?

After the "Reading ..." thing, there's usually not much of a pause for
me.  Do you have massive amounts of (un)subscribed groups?  That could
explain it.  

To find out where Gnus is spending so much time:

(setq debug-on-quit t)

and `C-g' when it's working.

> Also, is there any way to be saved from myself in a way which gnus
> manages because .newsrc is actually in a buffer, namely that if I am
> running Gnus on one machine, run it AGAIN (e.g. from home) and read
> a bunch of news and exit, then quitting Gnus on the first machine
> the next day DOESN'T notice that .newsrc[.eld] has changed and
> simply overwrites?

Nope, sorry.

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