gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Graham Murray]

In the upgrade of gnus from 5.2.26 to 5.2.27 the behaviour of gnus in
automatically adding a Gcc: header to write a copy to an archive file
changed.

I can see in the Changelog that there is a new function
gnus-archive-server-wanted-p that determines whether the archive file
is used.  Looking at this in gnus.el, it depends on the variables
gnus-message-archive-method and gnus-message-archive-group.  The
former seems to have a reasonable value, but the latter is nil.

I am not sure what value I should set gnus-message-archive-group in my
.gnus file to make gnus behave in the 'old' way? (or is setting this
variable not the correct method of reverting to the old behaviour?)

-- 
Graham Murray

Re: gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Jack Vinson]

>>>>> "GM" == Graham Murray <graham@barnowl.demon.co.uk> writes:

GM> In the upgrade of gnus from 5.2.26 to 5.2.27 the behaviour of gnus in
GM> automatically adding a Gcc: header to write a copy to an archive file
GM> changed.

Yes, gnus-message-archive-group now defaults to nil.  I think the
documentation string should point to either info or (more appropriately)
indicate the string/function which will give basic functionality for
archiving.

(setq gnus-message-archive-group "nnfolder+archive:misc-mail") 

will put ALL archives in misc-mail.  Something like

(defun jmv-archive-group (group)
  (if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail"))
(setq gnus-message-archive-group 'jmv-archive-group) 

Will return to the pre-5.27 default settings.  There is probably a Gnus
function which does this.  The doc string should point to it.


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Re: gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:

> Yes, gnus-message-archive-group now defaults to nil.  I think the
> documentation string should point to either info or (more appropriately)
> indicate the string/function which will give basic functionality for
> archiving.

I've now added this suggestion to the doc string:

(setq gnus-message-archive-group 
      '((if (message-news-p)
            "misc-news" 
          "misc-mail")))

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Re: gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

> Yes, gnus-message-archive-group now defaults to nil.  I think the
> documentation string should point to either info or (more appropriately)
> indicate the string/function which will give basic functionality for
> archiving.

I think the default should be to save -- or at least to save mail.
Gnus' default behaviour should be the desirable way for a user to
behave.  Surely it's desirable that people learn to keep copies of their
own correspondence?

Anyway, this is a fairly common feature to want, and without reading to
much doc it's easier to turn it off than to turn it on -- beacuse it
if it's off, it must at least occur to you that it's *possible* to turn
it on.


Regards,

Hallvard

Re: gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

> I think the default should be to save -- or at least to save mail.
> Gnus' default behaviour should be the desirable way for a user to
> behave.  Surely it's desirable that people learn to keep copies of their
> own correspondence?
> 
> Anyway, this is a fairly common feature to want, and without reading to
> much doc it's easier to turn it off than to turn it on -- beacuse it
> if it's off, it must at least occur to you that it's *possible* to turn
> it on.

I agree totally, but this feature was the Number One Item Of Grand
Irritation with Gnus 5.2.  All other complaints put together didn't
even begin to amount to the same number as the Gcc/"~/Mail/"
complaints.

One shouldn't annoy people too much, so it now defaults to "off".

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Re: gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:
> 
>> I think the default should be to save -- or at least to save mail.
>> (...)
> 
> I agree totally, but this feature was the Number One Item Of Grand
> Irritation with Gnus 5.2.  All other complaints put together didn't
> even begin to amount to the same number as the Gcc/"~/Mail/"
> complaints.
> 
> One shouldn't annoy people too much, so it now defaults to "off".

True.  Grmph.  Find a way to sneak it in...  hmm, by default,
- Insert an *empty* `gcc:' header (unless gcc is removed from
  gnus-whatever-the-header-alist-was-called),
- when you move the cursor over a header name, the message area
  computes and displays some text about that header.  gcc: might say
  `<C-h v something - or maybe C-h i something>' describes how to save
  copies of your messages.


Regards,

Hallvard

Re: gnus no longer saving mail/posts in archive folder

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

> True.  Grmph.  Find a way to sneak it in...  hmm, by default,
> - Insert an *empty* `gcc:' header (unless gcc is removed from
>   gnus-whatever-the-header-alist-was-called),
> - when you move the cursor over a header name, the message area
>   computes and displays some text about that header.  gcc: might say
>   `<C-h v something - or maybe C-h i something>' describes how to save
>   copies of your messages.

That might be an idea for Red Gnus -- help on all sorts of things in
this manner.  I do get the impression that people get really nervous
when new, mysterious headers appear when they are composing articles
to be posted.  Perhaps they aren't sure that it'll be removed before
posting, and that the article will go out looking rather strange?

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