* Red Gnus v0.32 is released
@ 1996-09-10 22:22 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-10 23:39 ` Raja R Harinath
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-10 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
Bug fixes.
Get it from <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/rgnus.tar.gz> or
"ftp.ifi.uio.no:/pub/emacs/gnus/".
ChangeLog since last release:
Wed Sep 11 00:22:01 1996 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>
* gnus.el: Red Gnus v0.32 is released.
Tue Sep 10 19:10:09 1996 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ylfing.ifi.uio.no>
* gnus-kill.el (gnus-batch-score): Didn't work at all.
* gnus-msg.el (gnus-summary-mail-nastygram): Place point at
appropriate place.
* gnus-util.el (gnus-make-sort-function): Would nix out the
sorting list.
* gnus-demon.el (gnus-demon-cancel): Don't run
`cancel-function-timers'.
* message.el (message-header-format-alist): Don't fill References
headers.
Mon Sep 9 21:51:46 1996 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no>
* nntp.el (nntp-server-action-alist): Don't try LIST ACTIVE GROUP
on Netscape's brain-dead nntp server.
* message.el (message-dont-send): Take proper actions.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-10 22:22 Red Gnus v0.32 is released Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 1996-09-10 23:39 ` Raja R Harinath
1996-09-11 20:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-11 0:38 ` David Lebel
1996-09-11 11:20 ` Wesley.Hardaker
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From: Raja R Harinath @ 1996-09-10 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> * nntp.el (nntp-server-action-alist): Don't try LIST ACTIVE GROUP
> on Netscape's brain-dead nntp server.
I looks the problem is not the Netscape server, but somewhere in
`nntp-try-list-active'.
Here's typescript for my news-server:
Script started on Tue Sep 10 17:55:25 1996
tera ~ > telnet news.cis.umn.edu nntp
Trying 128.101.83.4 ...
Connected to epx.cis.umn.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 newsstand.tc.umn.edu InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4 22-Dec-93 ready (posting ok).
LIST ACTIVE alt.nocem.misc
501 [active|newsgroups|distributions|schema]
GROUP alt.nocem.misc
211 184 11941 13009 alt.nocem.misc
QUIT
205
Connection closed by foreign host.
tera ~ > exit
exit
script done on Tue Sep 10 17:56:09 1996
But somehow, `nntp-try-list-active' decides that
nntp-server-list-active-group ==> t
When trying to debug `nntp-t-l-a', I popped to the ' *nntpd*' buffer: it
looked empty (didn't check for whitespace, though). That would explain
why the `try...' code succeeds, but I couldn't figure out why the buffer
was empty.
End result, the same problem that others have been seeing, no
information on nntp groups. Of course, a "5 g" takes care of that.
- Hari
--
Raja R Harinath ------------------------------ harinath@cs.umn.edu
"When all else fails, read the instructions." -- Cahn's Axiom
"Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing." -- Roy L Ash
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-10 23:39 ` Raja R Harinath
@ 1996-09-11 20:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-11 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Raja R Harinath <harinath@cs.umn.edu> writes:
> But somehow, `nntp-try-list-active' decides that
>
> nntp-server-list-active-group ==> t
>
> When trying to debug `nntp-t-l-a', I popped to the ' *nntpd*' buffer: it
> looked empty (didn't check for whitespace, though). That would explain
> why the `try...' code succeeds, but I couldn't figure out why the buffer
> was empty.
I think I've fixed this in Red Gnus 0.33.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-10 22:22 Red Gnus v0.32 is released Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-10 23:39 ` Raja R Harinath
@ 1996-09-11 0:38 ` David Lebel
1996-09-11 0:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-11 11:20 ` Wesley.Hardaker
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: David Lebel @ 1996-09-11 0:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
: * nntp.el (nntp-server-action-alist): Don't try LIST ACTIVE GROUP
: on Netscape's brain-dead nntp server.
Netscape's brain-dead nntp server? Netscape News is INN 1.4
on steroids. In fact, it's only INN with SSL and a HTML-based
configuration system thrown in (and I'm still asking myself why they
are still asking 995$US for it ;-)).
However, LIST ACTIVE GROUP was implemented only in very recent
(> '94), patch-based 1.4 versions of INN. Why did Netscape didn't
implement those patches is an open question.
...David
--
// d a v i d l e b e l <lebel@socom.com> http://superdave.socom.com/
// analyst / system administrator / hacker socom technologies, inc.
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 0:38 ` David Lebel
@ 1996-09-11 0:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-11 13:03 ` David Lebel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-11 0:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
David Lebel <lebel@socom.com> writes:
> Netscape's brain-dead nntp server? Netscape News is INN 1.4
> on steroids. In fact, it's only INN with SSL and a HTML-based
> configuration system thrown in (and I'm still asking myself why they
> are still asking 995$US for it ;-)).
>
> However, LIST ACTIVE GROUP was implemented only in very recent
> (> '94), patch-based 1.4 versions of INN. Why did Netscape didn't
> implement those patches is an open question.
The problem is not that Netscape's INN version doesn't implement LIST
ACTIVE GROUP -- the problem is that when it receives that command, it
responds by pumping out the entire active file. If that's not brain
dead, I don't know what is.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 0:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 1996-09-11 13:03 ` David Lebel
1996-09-11 19:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: David Lebel @ 1996-09-11 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ding
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
: The problem is not that Netscape's INN version doesn't implement LIST
: ACTIVE GROUP -- the problem is that when it receives that command, it
: responds by pumping out the entire active file. If that's not brain
: dead, I don't know what is.
Are you sure? When I issue this command to my Netscape News
server, I get the following trace:
---cut---
[0]$ telnet news.socom.com 119
Trying 206.108.56.8...
Connected to athena.socom.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 athena.socom.com InterNetNews NNRP server Netscape 1.1 951101 INN 1.4 22-Dec-93 ready (posting ok).
LIST ACTIVE socom.misc
501 [active|newsgroups|distributions|schema]
---cut---
So, as you can see, it didn't pumped the active file, it just
issued an error code (501).
...David
--
// d a v i d l e b e l <lebel@socom.com> http://superdave.socom.com/
// analyst / system administrator / hacker socom technologies, inc.
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 13:03 ` David Lebel
@ 1996-09-11 19:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-11 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
David Lebel <lebel@socom.com> writes:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
> : The problem is not that Netscape's INN version doesn't implement LIST
> : ACTIVE GROUP -- the problem is that when it receives that command, it
> : responds by pumping out the entire active file. If that's not brain
> : dead, I don't know what is.
>
> Are you sure? When I issue this command to my Netscape News
> server, I get the following trace:
>
> ---cut---
> [0]$ telnet news.socom.com 119
> Trying 206.108.56.8...
> Connected to athena.socom.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 200 athena.socom.com InterNetNews NNRP server Netscape 1.1 951101 INN 1.4 22-Dec-93 ready (posting ok).
> LIST ACTIVE socom.misc
> 501 [active|newsgroups|distributions|schema]
> ---cut---
>
> So, as you can see, it didn't pumped the active file, it just
> issued an error code (501).
Escape character is '^]'.
200 <cencored> InterNetNews NNRP server Netscape 1.1 951101 INN 1.4 22-Dec-93 ready (posting ok).
list active alt.test
215 Newsgroups in form "group high low flags".
a.bsu.programming 3119 3100 y
a.bsu.religion 9259 9207 y
a.bsu.talk 3771 3756 y
aaa.inu-chan 249 247 y
ab.arnet 5 6 m
ab.general 24408 24294 y
...
Hey, it's the same release of the server. Odd. That's Netscape for
you, I guess. :-)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-10 22:22 Red Gnus v0.32 is released Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-10 23:39 ` Raja R Harinath
1996-09-11 0:38 ` David Lebel
@ 1996-09-11 11:20 ` Wesley.Hardaker
1996-09-11 12:39 ` Per Abrahamsen
1996-09-11 19:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Wesley.Hardaker @ 1996-09-11 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> Bug fixes.
Ya know... If you keep doing only 'bug fixes', we'll lose the alpha
rating on rgnus... *poke poke*
(just wondering what happened to the days of "New release with the
following 10 features, which probably means nothing works" ;-)
Wes
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 11:20 ` Wesley.Hardaker
@ 1996-09-11 12:39 ` Per Abrahamsen
1996-09-11 19:42 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-11 19:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1996-09-11 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:
> Ya know... If you keep doing only 'bug fixes', we'll lose the alpha
> rating on rgnus... *poke poke*
Maybe it would be an idea to go for an official release? I don't
think we need every version of Gnus to revolutionize newsreading as we
know it. Incremental updates has been used for other software with
great success.
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 12:39 ` Per Abrahamsen
@ 1996-09-11 19:42 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1996-09-12 5:27 ` Ed Donovan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-11 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
> Maybe it would be an idea to go for an official release? I don't
> think we need every version of Gnus to revolutionize newsreading as we
> know it. Incremental updates has been used for other software with
> great success.
Kinda boring, though? :-)
No, there's tons of new stuff I want to add. I'm just going through
one of my "ooh, I *have* to read *this* book, and *this* book,
and..."-periods.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 19:42 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 1996-09-12 5:27 ` Ed Donovan
1996-09-13 2:09 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Ed Donovan @ 1996-09-12 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> Kinda boring, though? :-)
>
> No, there's tons of new stuff I want to add. I'm just going through
> one of my "ooh, I *have* to read *this* book, and *this* book,
> and..."-periods.
Wait, this gig is _voluntary_? I thought we had the guy chained to a
workstation somewhere in Oslo...
But, really, could this lead to new sig quotes? I have to ask--what's
on the reading list? (I'd ask people on the subway in NYC what they're
reading. It's a compulsion...)
--
Ed Donovan edonovan@world.std.com
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-12 5:27 ` Ed Donovan
@ 1996-09-13 2:09 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-13 2:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Ed Donovan <edonovan@world.std.com> writes:
> Wait, this gig is _voluntary_? I thought we had the guy chained to a
> workstation somewhere in Oslo...
:-)
> But, really, could this lead to new sig quotes? I have to ask--what's
> on the reading list? (I'd ask people on the subway in NYC what they're
> reading. It's a compulsion...)
I know the feeling. The first thing I do when I visit other people's
apartments is locating the bookshelf. Then I very subtly try to scope
the contents while not looking like I'm being too nosy. I always fail
miserably, though.
I've just finished "Kaddish" by Allen Ginsberg and "Daughter Buffalo"
by Janet Frame, and I'm now reading "Metropolitan Greetings" by AG,
just started a book by Marge Piercey (sp?) called, uhm, ah, uhm, no,
it slipped my mind, and am finishing "The Kif Strike Back" by CJ
Cherryh.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: Red Gnus v0.32 is released
1996-09-11 11:20 ` Wesley.Hardaker
1996-09-11 12:39 ` Per Abrahamsen
@ 1996-09-11 19:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-09-11 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Wesley.Hardaker@sphys.unil.ch writes:
> Ya know... If you keep doing only 'bug fixes', we'll lose the alpha
> rating on rgnus... *poke poke*
>
> (just wondering what happened to the days of "New release with the
> following 10 features, which probably means nothing works" ;-)
I have a very good excuse: I'm lazy. :-)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
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