* Signature in forwarded messages @ 1995-11-28 17:09 Sten Drescher 1995-11-29 2:54 ` Steven L. Baur 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Sten Drescher @ 1995-11-28 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw) In Gnus 5.0.10, when I use gnus-summary-mail-forward or gnus-uu-digest-mail-forward (I don't know about other -forward commands), my signature file is put at the _beginning_ of the message. Even if this isn't broken, I'd still like the signature to be at the end of the message. How can I make this happen? Sten -- #include <disclaimer.h> /* Sten Drescher */ To get my PGP public key, send me email with your public key and Subject: PGP key exchange Key fingerprint = 90 5F 1D FD A6 7C 84 5E A9 D3 90 16 B2 44 C4 F3 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-28 17:09 Signature in forwarded messages Sten Drescher @ 1995-11-29 2:54 ` Steven L. Baur 1995-11-29 8:32 ` Robert Nicholson 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Steven L. Baur @ 1995-11-29 2:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars, may I respectfully request that you put the magic ``Start of'' string into a variable so that it doesn't have to be copied by hand as below? >>>>> "Sten" == Sten Drescher <dreschs@mpd.tandem.com> writes: Sten> In Gnus 5.0.10, when I use gnus-summary-mail-forward Sten> or gnus-uu-digest-mail-forward (I don't know about other Sten> -forward commands), my signature file is put at the Sten> _beginning_ of the message. Even if this isn't broken, I'd Sten> still like the signature to be at the end of the message. Sten> How can I make this happen? Sten> Sten I don't think this is broken. At any rate, it behaves the same way in sgnus v0.16. You do have a hook available to rearrange things. Take a look at the gnus-mail-forward-hook. What you would want to do there is move all the text between the header separator line, and the ``------- Start of forwarded message -------'' line to the end of the buffer. Try this out and see if it does what you want (I'm sure that this is not the most elegant way of doing this, but it appears to work): (defun signature-to-end-of-forwarded-message () (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward (concat "^" (regexp-quote mail-header-separator) "$") nil t) (forward-line 1) (let* ((start (point)) (end (progn (save-excursion (re-search-forward "^------- Start of forwarded message -" nil t) (beginning-of-line) (point))))) (goto-char (point-max)) (insert-buffer-substring (current-buffer) start end) (delete-region start end)))) (add-hook 'gnus-mail-forward-hook 'signature-to-end-of-forwarded-message) Regards, -- steve@miranova.com baur ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 2:54 ` Steven L. Baur @ 1995-11-29 8:32 ` Robert Nicholson 1995-11-29 9:29 ` M.N.Oakden 1995-11-29 10:07 ` Per Abrahamsen 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Robert Nicholson @ 1995-11-29 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw) How can you justify the signature appearing at the start of the message when forwarding? re: I don't think this is broken. -- "Mary ate a little lamb and punk rock isn't dead" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 8:32 ` Robert Nicholson @ 1995-11-29 9:29 ` M.N.Oakden 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 10:07 ` Per Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: M.N.Oakden @ 1995-11-29 9:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi there, In article <ebupv95y9.fsf@steffi.accessone.com> robert@steffi.accessone.com (Robert Nicholson) writes: > > How can you justify the signature appearing at the start of the > message when forwarding? > > re: I don't think this is broken. > The signature appearing before a forwarded message seems like reasonable behaviour to me, at least at first thought... Thinking further about it, I worry about the effect of this on clever mail/news readers in which it is possible for the user to automagically hide signatures [mentioning no names, ... but how many clever mail/news readers are there ;) ]. It would seem to me that this might result in the entire forwarded message being hidden (apologies if The Cleverest Mail/News Reader is clever enough to not do this even if its dumb user asks it to hide signatures...) I can think of one "justification" off-hand. If I am replying to a letter (a real paper one), and want to quote some of a previous letter to me in my letter, I quote the material within the letter and sign at the end. [compare email reply with original text] ... BUT ... If I am sending an entire copy of a letter (again, a real paper one) I receive to somebody else, and want to add an explanation of the forwarded letter "Dear Bob, Look at this gibberish Fred sent me. Cheers, Mark" or something of the sort, I would probably scribble this across the top of the forwarded letter (with my "signature" "Mark" there, above the text of the forwarded letter) or if my explanatory note was longer, I would probably write my own letter, complete with my signature "Mark", and staple it to the front of the forwarded copy. [cf email forwarding]. In both these paper-mail forwarding systems my signature appears before the forwarded letter. Of course, email isn't paper mail, and it probably isn't a good idea to take such paper mail analogies too seriously in an email context. Cheers, Mark. -- oakden@hep.ph.liv.ac.uk - I'm not politically | Wearing straw cloaks, incorrect, I'm just differently articulate. | with spring <URL:http://hep.ph.liv.ac.uk/~oakden/www/> | saints greet each other. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 9:29 ` M.N.Oakden @ 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-11-29 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) "M.N.Oakden" <oakden@hep.ph.liv.ac.uk> writes: > If I am sending an entire copy of a letter (again, a real paper one) > I receive to somebody else, and want to add an explanation of the > forwarded letter "Dear Bob, Look at this gibberish Fred sent me. > Cheers, Mark" or something of the sort, I would probably scribble > this across the top of the forwarded letter (with my "signature" > "Mark" there, above the text of the forwarded letter) or if my > explanatory note was longer, I would probably write my own letter, > complete with my signature "Mark", and staple it to the front of the > forwarded copy. Yup. I think this is probably the reason why the signature comes before the forwarded message. (I think this was the behavior in GNUS 4.1 as well.) It makes sense to me, but, on the other hand, it makes automatic signature handling more difficult... So, I dunno. I have no strong feelings on the subject. If y'all feel that the signature should go after the forwarded message, I'll do that. It would make automatic signature handling easier. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 19:26 ` Edward J. Sabol ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-11-29 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw) larsi@ifi.uio.no (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen) wrote: > So, I dunno. I have no strong feelings on the subject. If y'all feel > that the signature should go after the forwarded message, I'll do > that. It would make automatic signature handling easier. I vote for before the message - I frequently forward messages to colleagues with a short intro ("cover letter") in which case MY text belongs before the forwarded message. Could just make it switchable. Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 StatSci, a div of MathSoft, Inc. 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal 1995-11-30 6:35 ` Russ Allbery ` (2 more replies) 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: David K}gedal @ 1995-11-29 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw) What I lack is the possibility to "resend" mail. I want to send an the mail I got to another person unaltered, except for the Resent-to, Resent-by and Resent-date headers, which should be added. I guess this is specified in RFC822, or something like that, and many mail programs can do it, but I haven't seen it in Gnus. -- David Kågedal Lysator Academic Computer Society davidk@lysator.liu.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~davidk/ +46-13 17 65 89 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal @ 1995-11-30 6:35 ` Russ Allbery 1995-11-30 7:42 ` Saileshwar Krishnamurthy 1995-11-30 16:46 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Edward J. Sabol 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Signature in forwarded messages Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Russ Allbery @ 1995-11-30 6:35 UTC (permalink / raw) David K}gedal <davidk@lysator.liu.se> writes: > What I lack is the possibility to "resend" mail. I want to send an the > mail I got to another person unaltered, except for the Resent-to, > Resent-by and Resent-date headers, which should be added. I guess this is > specified in RFC822, or something like that, and many mail programs can do > it, but I haven't seen it in Gnus. I'll ditto this. It's the one major thing that elm had that I miss. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-30 6:35 ` Russ Allbery @ 1995-11-30 7:42 ` Saileshwar Krishnamurthy 1995-11-30 9:33 ` Kai Grossjohann ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Saileshwar Krishnamurthy @ 1995-11-30 7:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery <eagle@cyclone.Stanford.EDU> writes: In article <199511300635.WAA07790@cyclone.Stanford.EDU> Russ Allbery <eagle@cyclone.Stanford.EDU> writes: >> What I lack is the possibility to "resend" mail. I want to >> send an the mail I got to another person unaltered, except >> for the Resent-to, Resent-by and Resent-date headers, >> which should be added. I guess this is specified in >> RFC822, or something like that, and many mail programs can >> do it, but I haven't seen it in Gnus. Russ> I'll ditto this. It's the one major thing that elm had Russ> that I miss. Something like Bounce (B) in VM ? (vm-resend-message) Another nice thing would be: An equivalent of vm-resend-bounced-message, mapped to M-r in VM Just something trivial: Gnus unlike GNUS displays the Name of the sender of a message rather than the email-address in a summary buffer. There are times when people don't have names, only email-addresses and then that entry in the Summary buffer is just blank. Cheers Sailesh "God is void* in EVERY declaration, And all prayers go to /dev/null" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-30 7:42 ` Saileshwar Krishnamurthy @ 1995-11-30 9:33 ` Kai Grossjohann 1995-11-30 23:56 ` Sudish Joseph 1995-11-30 13:59 ` User Names in the Summary buffer Jack Vinson 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Signature in forwarded messages Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1995-11-30 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: eagle >>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:42:49 -0500, Saileshwar Krishnamurthy >>>>> <krish@cs.purdue.edu> said: Sailesh> Just something trivial: Gnus unlike GNUS displays the Name Sailesh> of the sender of a message rather than the email-address in Sailesh> a summary buffer. There are times when people don't have Sailesh> names, only email-addresses and then that entry in the Sailesh> Summary buffer is just blank. Yes! Yes! I get this, too, and have always attributed it to BBDB. If you don't use BBDB that might be an indication of a problem with Gnus rather than with BBDB or the BBDB/Gnus interaction. \kai{} -- Have you hugged your signature today? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-30 9:33 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1995-11-30 23:56 ` Sudish Joseph 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Sudish Joseph @ 1995-11-30 23:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding, eagle Kai Grossjohann writes: >>>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:42:49 -0500, Saileshwar Krishnamurthy >>>>>> <krish@cs.purdue.edu> said: Sailesh> Just something trivial: Gnus unlike GNUS displays the Name Sailesh> of the sender of a message rather than the email-address in Sailesh> a summary buffer. There are times when people don't have Sailesh> names, only email-addresses and then that entry in the Sailesh> Summary buffer is just blank. > Yes! Yes! I get this, too, and have always attributed it to BBDB. > If you don't use BBDB that might be an indication of a problem with > Gnus rather than with BBDB or the BBDB/Gnus interaction. Just FYI. Both BBDB (mail-extract-address-components, really) and gnus-extract-address-components can return null full names--but for different reasons. mail-extr does it when the name is a single word that is the same as the person's login id. It does this so that BBDB doesn't get too many bogus hits when it's checking for new addresses for known posters. I had a patch that altered this behaviour...I backed it out after a few months, the number of bogus matches was a severe pain. gnus-extract-address-components gives empty addresses when people use bogus (non-1036 conformant) address formats. For e.g., the address "<xyz@foo.bar> (J. Luser)" is bogus, but occurs with unnerving frequency, as does "<luser@some.where>". Currently, it returns null on these formats, but I think they'd be worth supporting, considering the frequency with which they're encountered. -Sudish ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-30 23:56 ` Sudish Joseph @ 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Sudish Joseph <joseph@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: > gnus-extract-address-components gives empty addresses when people use > bogus (non-1036 conformant) address formats. For e.g., the address > "<xyz@foo.bar> (J. Luser)" is bogus, but occurs with unnerving > frequency, as does "<luser@some.where>". Currently, it returns null > on these formats, but I think they'd be worth supporting, considering > the frequency with which they're encountered. Ok. 0.17 will default to the From line when the name it has picked out is equal to "". -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* User Names in the Summary buffer 1995-11-30 7:42 ` Saileshwar Krishnamurthy 1995-11-30 9:33 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1995-11-30 13:59 ` Jack Vinson 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Signature in forwarded messages Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Jack Vinson @ 1995-11-30 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "SK" == Saileshwar Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> writes: SK> Just something trivial: Gnus unlike GNUS displays the Name of the SK> sender of a message rather than the email-address in a summary SK> buffer. There are times when people don't have names, only SK> email-addresses and then that entry in the Summary buffer is just SK> blank. This probably has something to do with mail-extr, the package that is used to extract the address and full name from the headers of the message. According to the function mail-extract-address-components, if the full name cannot be found it will be left empty. Thus the problem. It would be nice if we could (optionally?) have gnus insert the sender's address if the full name is empty. I use the BBDB package and use it to insert the names from BBDB into the summary line, instead of names from mail-extract-address-components. This way, when I find someone who doesn't have a full name in the headers I can add it manually to the database. I've also found that BBDB will insert the person's address instead, contrary to what Kai Grossjohn just said. BBDB can be found at ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages/bbdb-1.50.tar.Z among other places. You'll also need gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/gnus-bbdb.el -- Jack Vinson jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu "I Spit on Your Grave" -- double feature at the drive-in as seen "I Thumb Through Your Magazines" from the Qwik-E mart ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-30 7:42 ` Saileshwar Krishnamurthy 1995-11-30 9:33 ` Kai Grossjohann 1995-11-30 13:59 ` User Names in the Summary buffer Jack Vinson @ 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Saileshwar Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> writes: > Something like Bounce (B) in VM ? (vm-resend-message) > > Another nice thing would be: > > An equivalent of vm-resend-bounced-message, mapped to M-r in VM Isn't this what `S D b' (`gnus-summary-resend-bounced-mail') does? -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal 1995-11-30 6:35 ` Russ Allbery @ 1995-11-30 16:46 ` Edward J. Sabol 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Signature in forwarded messages Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Edward J. Sabol @ 1995-11-30 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Excerpts from mail: (29-Nov-95) Re: Signature in forwarded messages by David K}gedal > What I lack is the possibility to "resend" mail. I want to send an > the mail I got to another person unaltered, except for the Resent-to, > Resent-by and Resent-date headers, which should be added. I guess this > is specified in RFC822, or something like that, and many mail programs > can do it, but I haven't seen it in Gnus. Yes! Every self-respecting mail user agent *has* to have resend capability. Gnus lack thereof is one of the reasons why I still don't use it for personal (non-mailing lists) e-mail. Lars, please add this! Thanks, Ed ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-11-30 16:46 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Edward J. Sabol @ 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 5:32 ` Russ Allbery ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) "Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@thuban.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes: > Yes! Every self-respecting mail user agent *has* to have resend capability. > Gnus lack thereof is one of the reasons why I still don't use it for personal > (non-mailing lists) e-mail. Do you use this "resend" thingie much? I'm always forwarded things, and I don't think I haven't been resent a single mail ever... I would think it would be somewhat more confusing than simple forwarding? -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 5:32 ` Russ Allbery 1995-12-01 17:54 ` Steven L. Baur 1995-12-01 5:36 ` David K}gedal 1995-12-01 16:51 ` Scott Blachowicz 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Russ Allbery @ 1995-12-01 5:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: > Do you use this "resend" thingie much? I'm always forwarded things, > and I don't think I haven't been resent a single mail ever... I would > think it would be somewhat more confusing than simple forwarding? I use it a *lot*. Forwarding and bouncing have two very differnet purposes. Forwarding is for "here, I want you to see a copy of this, but it wasn't sent to you." Bouncing is "you sent this to the wrong address, so I'm going to resend it to the right address, but I really don't feel like getting into that with you right now." It's also "I want this mail message on a different account instead of this one." -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 5:32 ` Russ Allbery @ 1995-12-01 17:54 ` Steven L. Baur 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Steven L. Baur @ 1995-12-01 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery <eagle@cyclone.Stanford.EDU> writes: Russ> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: >> Do you use this "resend" thingie much? I'm always forwarded >> things, and I don't think I haven't been resent a single mail >> ever... I would think it would be somewhat more confusing than >> simple forwarding? Russ> I use it a *lot*. Forwarding and bouncing have two very Russ> differnet purposes. I agree completely with Russ. I would also add, that (proper) bouncing would have a greater likelihood of being processed by the intended procmail rules by the recipient. -- steve@miranova.com baur ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 5:32 ` Russ Allbery @ 1995-12-01 5:36 ` David K}gedal 1995-12-01 6:10 ` Eric Hendrickson 1995-12-01 16:51 ` Scott Blachowicz 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: David K}gedal @ 1995-12-01 5:36 UTC (permalink / raw) larsi@ifi.uio.no (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen) writes: >Do you use this "resend" thingie much? I'm always forwarded things, >and I don't think I haven't been resent a single mail ever... I would >think it would be somewhat more confusing than simple forwarding? I don't use it, because it isn't there, but if it were I would surely use it a lot. One other thing. At least one of the Resent-* headers should be visible by default, (Resent-to and Resent-by should be there) as it can get a bit confusing otherwise when you get a mail not adressed to you. -- David Kågedal Lysator Academic Computer Society davidk@lysator.liu.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~davidk/ +46-13 17 65 89 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 5:36 ` David K}gedal @ 1995-12-01 6:10 ` Eric Hendrickson 1995-12-01 6:17 ` David K}gedal 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Eric Hendrickson @ 1995-12-01 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding supposedly David K}gedal spoke about "Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages),": > One other thing. At least one of the Resent-* headers should be > visible by default, (Resent-to and Resent-by should be there) as it > can get a bit confusing otherwise when you get a mail not adressed to > you. To me, that would defeat the purpose of ``resending'' a message. It should be transparent to the recipient that the message was resent, unless they examine the headers closely. Otherwise I used ``forward''. Just MHO, but I think this is how other MUA's work too... -- [Sir Stafford Cripps] has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. -- Winston Churchill Eric D. Hendrickson Computational Biology Centers/Medical School Senior Analyst/Programmer University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, USA 612/625-3644 (phone) <a href="http://umn.edu/~edh">Crystal Cave</a> 612/626-0623 (fax) Damnit! I can't stop the heterocyclic declination! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 6:10 ` Eric Hendrickson @ 1995-12-01 6:17 ` David K}gedal 1995-12-01 6:59 ` Eric Hendrickson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: David K}gedal @ 1995-12-01 6:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Eric Hendrickson <edh@lenti.med.umn.edu> writes: >To me, that would defeat the purpose of ``resending'' a message. It should >be transparent to the recipient that the message was resent, unless they >examine the headers closely. Otherwise I used ``forward''. > >Just MHO, but I think this is how other MUA's work too... So the purpose of resending is to confuse people :-) When I get mail addressed to root@lysator.liu.se, I get very confused, until I press 't' and see that it was resent to www@lysator.liu.se. I would like to see that at once. -- David Kågedal Lysator Academic Computer Society davidk@lysator.liu.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~davidk/ +46-13 17 65 89 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 6:17 ` David K}gedal @ 1995-12-01 6:59 ` Eric Hendrickson 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Eric Hendrickson @ 1995-12-01 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding supposedly David K}gedal spoke about "Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages),": > So the purpose of resending is to confuse people :-) hehehe, I guess so 8) > When I get mail addressed to root@lysator.liu.se, I get very > confused, until I press 't' and see that it was resent to > www@lysator.liu.se. I would like to see that at once. Well, I don't use Gnus for mail (yet), but VM has a ``vm-visible-headers'' variable where you can define what headers you want to see. It would make sense to me to have such a thing in Gnus as well... -- The young Georgia miss came to the hospital for a checkup. "Have you been X-rayed?" asked the doctor. "Nope," she said, "but ah've been ultraviolated." Eric D. Hendrickson Computational Biology Centers/Medical School Senior Analyst/Programmer University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, USA 612/625-3644 (phone) <a href="http://umn.edu/~edh">Crystal Cave</a> 612/626-0623 (fax) Damnit! I can't stop the heterocyclic declination! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 6:59 ` Eric Hendrickson @ 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-04 1:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Eric Hendrickson <edh@lenti.med.umn.edu> writes: > Well, I don't use Gnus for mail (yet), but VM has a ``vm-visible-headers'' > variable where you can define what headers you want to see. It would make > sense to me to have such a thing in Gnus as well... Uhm, yes, so that's why we have `gnus-visible-headers'. I've added "^Resent-" to the regexp of headers shown by default. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 5:32 ` Russ Allbery 1995-12-01 5:36 ` David K}gedal @ 1995-12-01 16:51 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-12-01 18:24 ` Multiple confirmations (was: Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages)) Per Abrahamsen 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-12-01 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding larsi@ifi.uio.no (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen) wrote: > Do you use this "resend" thingie much? I'm always forwarded things, > and I don't think I haven't been resent a single mail ever... I would > think it would be somewhat more confusing than simple forwarding? I use it. I generally use it when I'm forwarding an article of interest to my own account on a different machine (generally from work to home). Occasionally, I have a co-worker "bounce" (that's what elm calls it; MH calls it "dist"; the headers are "Resent-" - more letters to base a key binding mnemonic on :-)) a message to me so I can reply to the original sender. Since I have/use MH, I just pipe the message off | rcvdist scott@sabami RET and that does the trick. It'd be REAL nice if there were a way to apply the same command to each of the process-marked messages without having to re-confirm the command every time (I have the same complaint about saving process-marked messages to a folder). BTW, I mentioned that a long time ago - I don't remember finding a way to do it unless it was something like double prefix the command and click your heals a few times? :-)) Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 StatSci, a div of MathSoft, Inc. 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Multiple confirmations (was: Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages)) 1995-12-01 16:51 ` Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-12-01 18:24 ` Per Abrahamsen 1995-12-01 19:19 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1995-12-01 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: larsi, ding >>>>> "SB" == Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com> writes: SB> It'd be REAL nice if there were a way to apply SB> the same command to each of the process-marked messages without having to SB> re-confirm the command every time (I have the same complaint about saving SB> process-marked messages to a folder). BTW, I mentioned that a long time SB> ago - I don't remember finding a way to do it unless it was something like SB> double prefix the command and click your heals a few times? :-)) While that is an excellent suggestion, I think using the same convention as `save-some-buffers' and `query-replace' would be more Emacs-like. I.e. typing `!' means "yes, and don't ask for the remaining items". ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple confirmations (was: Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages)) 1995-12-01 18:24 ` Multiple confirmations (was: Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages)) Per Abrahamsen @ 1995-12-01 19:19 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Multiple confirmations Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-12-01 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: larsi, ding >>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> Per> While that is an excellent suggestion, I think using the same Per> convention as `save-some-buffers' and `query-replace' would be more Per> Emacs-like. I.e. typing `!' means "yes, and don't ask for the Per> remaining items". The problem is that it isn't just a y-or-n response it is looking for. It's asking for a folder name or a command, so it's not quite the same type of operation as `save-some-buffers'. Maybe a "!" response by itself could trigger it, but that doesn't really "feel right". Maybe a `M-!' response? I suppose I COULD write my own wrapper function to do the job and rebind the keys to my wrapper, but that's too much work for the amount of benefit (I just don't spend enough time in the newsreader to warrant it at the moment...real work keeps getting in the way). Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 StatSci, a div of MathSoft, Inc. 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Multiple confirmations 1995-12-01 19:19 ` Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-04 1:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com> writes: > The problem is that it isn't just a y-or-n response it is looking for. > It's asking for a folder name or a command, so it's not quite the same > type of operation as `save-some-buffers'. Maybe a "!" response by itself > could trigger it, but that doesn't really "feel right". Maybe a `M-!' > response? Well, there should be a `map-read-string' to echo `map-y-or-n-p'. I have no idea how it should work, though. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) 1995-12-01 16:51 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-12-01 18:24 ` Multiple confirmations (was: Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages)) Per Abrahamsen @ 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-04 1:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com> writes: > It'd be REAL nice if there were a way to apply the same command to > each of the process-marked messages without having to re-confirm the > command every time (I have the same complaint about saving > process-marked messages to a folder). BTW, I mentioned that a long > time ago - I don't remember finding a way to do it unless it was > something like double prefix the command and click your heals a few > times? :-)) There's a new variable to control the prompting in September: gnus-prompt-before-saving's value is always Documentation: *This variable says how much prompting is to be done when saving articles. If it is nil, no prompting will be done, and the articles will be saved to the default files. If this variable is `always', each and every article that is saved will be preceded by a prompt, even when saving large batches of articles. If this variable is neither nil not `always', there the user will be prompted once for a file name for each invocation of the saving commands. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal 1995-11-30 6:35 ` Russ Allbery 1995-11-30 16:46 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Edward J. Sabol @ 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) davidk@lysator.liu.se (David K}gedal) writes: > What I lack is the possibility to "resend" mail. I want to send an the > mail I got to another person unaltered, except for the Resent-to, > Resent-by and Resent-date headers, which should be added. I guess this > is specified in RFC822, or something like that, and many mail programs > can do it, but I haven't seen it in Gnus. Ok, I'll look up RFC822 and add it. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal @ 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com> writes: > I vote for before the message - I frequently forward messages to > colleagues with a short intro ("cover letter") in which case MY text > belongs before the forwarded message. Could just make it switchable. Yup. The Gnus thing to do is, of course, to add a variable for this. `gnus-signature-before-forwarded-message' is new in 0.17. Default is t. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz @ 1995-11-29 19:26 ` Edward J. Sabol 1995-11-30 8:41 ` Kai Grossjohann 1995-12-01 12:01 ` Mats G. Lofdahl 3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Edward J. Sabol @ 1995-11-29 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Excerpts from mail: (29-Nov-95) Re: Signature in forwarded messages by Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > So, I dunno. I have no strong feelings on the subject. If y'all feel > that the signature should go after the forwarded message, I'll do that. > It would make automatic signature handling easier. If we're voting, I vote for after the forwarded message. It would make sense to put it before the forwarded message only if the forwarded message did not have a end delimiter, but, since it does, I really think it should come after. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-11-29 19:26 ` Edward J. Sabol @ 1995-11-30 8:41 ` Kai Grossjohann 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 12:01 ` Mats G. Lofdahl 3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1995-11-30 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> On 29 Nov 1995 18:55:37 +0100, larsi@ifi.uio.no (Lars Magne >>>>> Ingebrigtsen) said: Lars> Yup. I think this is probably the reason why the signature Lars> comes before the forwarded message. (I think this was the Lars> behavior in GNUS 4.1 as well.) It makes sense to me, but, on Lars> the other hand, it makes automatic signature handling more Lars> difficult... You could assume that a signature contains no empty lines and use that for coloring, for instance. Isn't there an empty line inserted after the signature already? Whatcha think? \kai{} -- Have you hugged your signature today? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-30 8:41 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-12-01 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@dusty.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > You could assume that a signature contains no empty lines and use that > for coloring, for instance. That would lose out on lots of signatures -- many have empty lines embedded. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1995-11-30 8:41 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1995-12-01 12:01 ` Mats G. Lofdahl 3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Mats G. Lofdahl @ 1995-12-01 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. In article <w8sn39fwbja.fsf@gymir.ifi.uio.no> larsi@ifi.uio.no (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen) writes: > So, I dunno. I have no strong feelings on the subject. If y'all > feel that the signature should go after the forwarded message, I'll > do that. It would make automatic signature handling easier. I vote for keeping the possibility for sigs before the forwarded message. It should be easy to see where the signature ends. It ends where the forwarded message starts, and there is a marker there, isn't there? /Mats ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 8:32 ` Robert Nicholson 1995-11-29 9:29 ` M.N.Oakden @ 1995-11-29 10:07 ` Per Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Per Abrahamsen @ 1995-11-29 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Putting the signature in front of an included item make sense when the included item doesn't have a natural end marker. Forwarded messages does have such an end marker. Having the signature in front does not interact well with attempts to automatically hide or highlight the signature. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: Signature in forwarded messages 1995-11-29 2:54 ` Steven L. Baur 1995-11-29 8:32 ` Robert Nicholson @ 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1995-11-29 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) "Steven L. Baur" <steve@miranova.com> writes: > Lars, may I respectfully request that you put the magic ``Start of'' > string into a variable so that it doesn't have to be copied by hand as > below? Well, if you drop the "respectfully" part. :-) I've added this to 0.17. -- Home is where the cat is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~1995-12-04 1:50 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 36+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 1995-11-28 17:09 Signature in forwarded messages Sten Drescher 1995-11-29 2:54 ` Steven L. Baur 1995-11-29 8:32 ` Robert Nicholson 1995-11-29 9:29 ` M.N.Oakden 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 18:31 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-11-29 21:44 ` David K}gedal 1995-11-30 6:35 ` Russ Allbery 1995-11-30 7:42 ` Saileshwar Krishnamurthy 1995-11-30 9:33 ` Kai Grossjohann 1995-11-30 23:56 ` Sudish Joseph 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-30 13:59 ` User Names in the Summary buffer Jack Vinson 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Signature in forwarded messages Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-30 16:46 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Edward J. Sabol 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 5:32 ` Russ Allbery 1995-12-01 17:54 ` Steven L. Baur 1995-12-01 5:36 ` David K}gedal 1995-12-01 6:10 ` Eric Hendrickson 1995-12-01 6:17 ` David K}gedal 1995-12-01 6:59 ` Eric Hendrickson 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 16:51 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-12-01 18:24 ` Multiple confirmations (was: Re: Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages)) Per Abrahamsen 1995-12-01 19:19 ` Scott Blachowicz 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Multiple confirmations Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-04 1:50 ` Resending (was Re: Signature in forwarded messages) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Signature in forwarded messages Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-11-29 19:26 ` Edward J. Sabol 1995-11-30 8:41 ` Kai Grossjohann 1995-12-01 3:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1995-12-01 12:01 ` Mats G. Lofdahl 1995-11-29 10:07 ` Per Abrahamsen 1995-11-29 17:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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