From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/25039 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David.Mentre@irisa.fr (David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Been using gnus for years, still don't know what it's all about Date: 09 Sep 1999 14:53:47 +0200 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035162498 11986 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:08:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12343 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAB22869; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:56:27 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:56:23 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04687 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from parasite.irisa.fr (parasite.irisa.fr [131.254.12.47]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12309 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from parate.irisa.fr (parate.irisa.fr [131.254.12.25]) by parasite.irisa.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18849 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:53:47 +0200 (MET DST) Original-To: Gnus Beta Testers In-Reply-To: Didier Verna's message of "09 Sep 1999 12:28:04 +0200" Original-Lines: 48 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070096 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.96) Emacs/20.4 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:25039 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:25039 Didier Verna writes: > So the obvious conclusion is that I have _no clue_ /at all/ what group > subscription is :-/ So please somebody, explain to a poor french dumb blonde > what, in the gnus sense, "killed groups", "[un]subscribed groups" etc are. Roughly, we can say that each group has a level (from 1 to 9 IIRC). The lower is the level, the more subscribed your are to it. Now, let's look at subscription. Each subcribe, killed, ... group has a predefined level : - normal news group : 3 - normal mail group : 3 - unsubcribed group : 6 - killed group : 9 - ... So, each time you execute a command, it acts on the set of groups of a certain level and below. Sucribing, killing commands change in fact group level. So, when to press the 'g' key, unsubscribed groups (level 6) are still requested for last article. When you enter into them, read articles are not saved in the news.elc file. For more exact information see gnus info doc, node: Group Levels [...] Gnus considers groups from levels 1 to `gnus-level-subscribed' (inclusive) (default 5) to be subscribed, `gnus-level-subscribed' (exclusive) and `gnus-level-unsubscribed' (inclusive) (default 7) to be unsubscribed, `gnus-level-zombie' to be zombies (walking dead) (default 8) and `gnus-level-killed' to be killed (completely dead) (default 9). Gnus treats subscribed and unsubscribed groups exactly the same, but zombie and killed groups have no information on what articles you have read, etc, stored. This distinction between dead and living groups isn't done because it is nice or clever, it is done purely for reasons of efficiency. [...] I hope it is clear. Best regards, david -- David.Mentre@irisa.fr -- http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/ Opinions expressed here are only mine.